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Post by M1104 on Jul 22, 2017 10:02:54 GMT
I think one of the advantages of showing just Waterloo is that one can slightly adjust the terminus (due to road closures, controller instructions, etc) and the destination blind would still be relatively accurate. Regarding the 341 and 381 however, I always thought they should ideally display County Hall.
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Post by ServerKing on Jul 22, 2017 11:50:14 GMT
I think one of the advantages of showing just Waterloo is that one can slightly adjust the terminus (due to road closures, controller instructions, etc) and the destination blind would still be relatively accurate. Regarding the 341 and 381 however, I always thought they should ideally display County Hall. I thought that as well, but in an age of laziness, "Waterloo" will do... if you want an exact destination, pick an Uber
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2017 22:44:37 GMT
I don't know if this has been touched upon but I really think Waterloo is one of those places that needs qualifiers. I mean you have 6 different terminus points yet buses just show Waterloo, I do get asked quite alot "where in Waterloo do you go?" Not that I have a problem with that as that is a very good question if you don't know. They should be 341/381s Waterloo, County Hall 76s Waterloo, Baylis Road 243/521s Waterloo Station, Mepham Street 211/507s Waterloo Station 77s Waterloo Station, Imax Cinema maybe as that's the closest reference point 4/26/139s Waterloo, Waterloo Road Yeah I've mentioned it before - honestly the best way to describe TfL's blind policy is by using the phrase, "one rule for one and one rule for another. I agree with the 76, 211, 341, 381 & 507 suggestions but I'd also have Waterloo Station for the 4, 26, 139, 243 & 521 as that is where their last stops are situated. The 77 is a tricky one though as potentially you could go with Waterloo Station, Waterloo, IMAX Cinema or Waterloo, South Bank.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 23, 2017 5:37:39 GMT
I don't know if this has been touched upon but I really think Waterloo is one of those places that needs qualifiers. I mean you have 6 different terminus points yet buses just show Waterloo, I do get asked quite alot "where in Waterloo do you go?" Not that I have a problem with that as that is a very good question if you don't know. They should be 341/381s Waterloo, County Hall 76s Waterloo, Baylis Road 243/521s Waterloo Station, Mepham Street 211/507s Waterloo Station 77s Waterloo Station, Imax Cinema maybe as that's the closest reference point 4/26/139s Waterloo, Waterloo Road Yeah I've mentioned it before - honestly the best way to describe TfL's blind policy is by using the phrase, "one rule for one and one rule for another. I agree with the 76, 211, 341, 381 & 507 suggestions but I'd also have Waterloo Station for the 4, 26, 139, 243 & 521 as that is where their last stops are situated. The 77 is a tricky one though as potentially you could go with Waterloo Station, Waterloo, IMAX Cinema or Waterloo, South Bank. Waterloo, south bank for the 77 is better actually. Yea I know Waterloo station is the last stop for the 4, 26, 139, 243 & 521 but I was thinking on a level that would make it more clear to passengers (the ones that read blinds) where about in Waterloo as you have station entrance on York road and Waterloo road. Or maybe even Waterloo east station for the 4, 26, 139 I've had that question asked many times then I have to explain I go near and give the directions to Waterloo east.
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Post by Volvo on Jul 23, 2017 7:07:03 GMT
Waterloo Station, Waterloo road is the official name of the last stop for the 4, 26 & 139 so perhaps that's what the blinds should read.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 23, 2017 14:52:52 GMT
Yeah I've mentioned it before - honestly the best way to describe TfL's blind policy is by using the phrase, "one rule for one and one rule for another. I agree with the 76, 211, 341, 381 & 507 suggestions but I'd also have Waterloo Station for the 4, 26, 139, 243 & 521 as that is where their last stops are situated. The 77 is a tricky one though as potentially you could go with Waterloo Station, Waterloo, IMAX Cinema or Waterloo, South Bank. Waterloo, south bank for the 77 is better actually. Yea I know Waterloo station is the last stop for the 4, 26, 139, 243 & 521 but I was thinking on a level that would make it more clear to passengers (the ones that read blinds) where about in Waterloo as you have station entrance on York road and Waterloo road. Or maybe even Waterloo east station for the 4, 26, 139 I've had that question asked many times then I have to explain I go near and give the directions to Waterloo east. Technically they all do stop outside Waterloo Station as well, however it's the Jubilee Line London Underground entrance they stop directly outside. Now as TfL seem to have decided using roundels in bus blinds is a no no Maybe "Waterloo, London Underground Station" would make a decent blind display. Another are which slightly irritates me is Oxford Circus where the 25, 55 and 73 go a bit further into the shopping area that the iBus and blinds imply as the "Oxford Circus Station" stop on those routes is quite far back towards the East. The blinds should reach "Oxford Street, John Lewis". Tottenham Court Road is another area, the blinds should be different for some routes as well as they all don't go to the same place the blinds may imply. They should be... 1 (if it ever returns): Tottenham Court Road, Centrepoint 8: Tottenham Court Road, Shaftesbury Avenue 134: Tottenham Court Road, New Oxford Street (however that particular blind might be a bit of a mouthful) 176: Tottenham Court Road, Great Russell Street (might be another mouthful )
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Post by Nathan on Jul 23, 2017 19:12:55 GMT
On that note I feel that "Shoreditch, Appold Street" would be a good terminus name for routes 42 and 344 as they don't really terminate at Liverpool Street
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Post by portman227 on Jul 27, 2017 0:30:14 GMT
I have a bit of a query with the routes that terminate in Croydon. Croydon Town Centre is a terminus used by routes 50 109 197 264 250 75 but However it seems Croydon town centre is a bit of a vague or incorrect blind in my opinion because : Routes 75 and 250 last stop is Fairfield Halls and that is thier terminus and it isn't exactly the Town centre. It's still a bit of a walk to the centre but Croydon Fairfield Halls may have been best option 109 is the closest one that terminates to the centre, but route 50 terminates on a slip road coming off the dual carriageway. And at the same time it used the terminus at Croydon library..... bringing me to the 264 and 197 terminus Technically both those routes terminate at Croydon Library so I think that would be the best blinds for them.
My point is that any passenger would assume that they all terminate at the same place when clearly they all come to their last stop at different locations. Wouldn't it be best if alternate blinds be made to better match the location they terminate in?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 27, 2017 0:38:36 GMT
I have a bit of a query with the routes that terminate in Croydon. Croydon Town Centre is a terminus used by routes 50 109 197 264 250 75 but However it seems Croydon town centre is a bit of a vague or incorrect blind in my opinion because : Routes 75 and 250 last stop is Fairfield Halls and that is thier terminus and it isn't exactly the Town centre. It's still a bit of a walk to the centre but Croydon Fairfield Halls may have been best option 109 is the closest one that terminates to the centre, but route 50 terminates on a slip road coming off the dual carriageway. And at the same time it used the terminus at Croydon library..... bringing me to the 264 and 197 terminus Technically both those routes terminate at Croydon Library so I think that would be the best blinds for them. My point is that any passenger would assume that they all terminate at the same place when clearly they all come to their last stop at different locations. Wouldn't it be best if alternate blinds be made to better match the location they terminate in? I've raised this point before because I hate these dumbed down vague blinds which offer little hope for someone who isn't familiar to that place. The 75 & 250 used to both show Croydon, Fairfield Halls along with Metrobus provincial Route 409, the 109 used to show Croydon, Park Street, the 50 used to show Croydon, Flyover and the 197 & 264 used to show Croydon, Katherine Street because that's were all these routes terminated. I'd simply reinstate all those blinds as those routes terminus's haven't changed since the vague blinds were introduced - the 50 still alights on High Street right before the Flyover, the 109 still alights at Park Street, the 75 & 250 still alight at Fairfield Halls & the 197 & 264 still alight on Katherine Street
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Post by portman227 on Jul 27, 2017 9:32:31 GMT
I have a bit of a query with the routes that terminate in Croydon. Croydon Town Centre is a terminus used by routes 50 109 197 264 250 75 but However it seems Croydon town centre is a bit of a vague or incorrect blind in my opinion because : Routes 75 and 250 last stop is Fairfield Halls and that is thier terminus and it isn't exactly the Town centre. It's still a bit of a walk to the centre but Croydon Fairfield Halls may have been best option 109 is the closest one that terminates to the centre, but route 50 terminates on a slip road coming off the dual carriageway. And at the same time it used the terminus at Croydon library..... bringing me to the 264 and 197 terminus Technically both those routes terminate at Croydon Library so I think that would be the best blinds for them. My point is that any passenger would assume that they all terminate at the same place when clearly they all come to their last stop at different locations. Wouldn't it be best if alternate blinds be made to better match the location they terminate in? I've raised this point before because I hate these dumbed down vague blinds which offer little hope for someone who isn't familiar to that place. The 75 & 250 used to both show Croydon, Fairfield Halls along with Metrobus provincial Route 409, the 109 used to show Croydon, Park Street, the 50 used to show Croydon, Flyover and the 197 & 264 used to show Croydon, Katherine Street because that's were all these routes terminated. I'd simply reinstate all those blinds as those routes terminus's haven't changed since the vague blinds were introduced - the 50 still alights on High Street right before the Flyover, the 109 still alights at Park Street, the 75 & 250 still alight at Fairfield Halls & the 197 & 264 still alight on Katherine Street Precisely what I was thinking but do you know the reason why the former blinds showing the actual terminus points were rid off? Can't think it had to do with TFL wanting to generalise all terminating routes in Croydon to one place?
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Post by abc on Aug 31, 2017 16:43:57 GMT
Last weekend, 36X appeared with a small X (probably same font as used for the N in the night buses). I thought it is horrible. Why have they changed the way the N prefix and the X suffix look? BTW, 2X was full size.
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Post by Alexis on Sept 1, 2017 7:21:26 GMT
Last weekend, 36X appeared with a small X (probably same font as used for the N in the night buses). I thought it is horrible. Why have they changed the way the N prefix and the X suffix look? BTW, 2X was full size. This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the small Ns and Xs on the new blinds look much better than the full-size letters.
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Post by abc on Sept 1, 2017 16:41:58 GMT
Last weekend, 36X appeared with a small X (probably same font as used for the N in the night buses). I thought it is horrible. Why have they changed the way the N prefix and the X suffix look? BTW, 2X was full size. This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the small Ns and Xs on the new blinds look much better than the full-size letters. The N might be OK, but the X doesn't look like an X.
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Post by Alexis on Sept 1, 2017 19:28:51 GMT
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the small Ns and Xs on the new blinds look much better than the full-size letters. The N might be OK, but the X doesn't look like an X. I didn't see any 36Xs but I did see a few 205Xs, and to me they were instantly recognisable.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 1, 2017 19:36:20 GMT
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I think the small Ns and Xs on the new blinds look much better than the full-size letters. The N might be OK, but the X doesn't look like an X. When I see the new X26 it does my head in I don't know why they couldn't just leave it as it was
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