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Post by snowman on Nov 22, 2017 9:58:11 GMT
There has been an update on the JIVE project funded buses, click on the bus symbol on the map. Now showing as 26 buses at planning stage (was thought to be 20, as the Green bus fund was 42 shared with Birmingham, and Birmningham have announced 22 buses). If you enlarge the map the bus symbol is Westbourne Park Road, (dont know if this is deliberate, or just somewhere in London chosen when adding to map) www.fch.europa.eu/Not sure why quantity has increased to 26 (logically it matches a routes pvr and spares, but I have no idea which route has been chosen), there is a separate thread for route speculation, and quite a few routes with pvrs of 22-23
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Post by snowman on Jan 10, 2018 10:28:54 GMT
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Post by planesandtrains on Jan 10, 2018 12:01:05 GMT
That interior literally gives away the fact that the chassis is similar to a new routemaster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 12:33:26 GMT
There has been an update on the JIVE project funded buses, click on the bus symbol on the map. Now showing as 26 buses at planning stage (was thought to be 20, as the Green bus fund was 42 shared with Birmingham, and Birmningham have announced 22 buses). If you enlarge the map the bus symbol is Westbourne Park Road, (dont know if this is deliberate, or just somewhere in London chosen when adding to map) www.fch.europa.eu/Not sure why quantity has increased to 26 (logically it matches a routes pvr and spares, but I have no idea which route has been chosen), there is a separate thread for route speculation, and quite a few routes with pvrs of 22-23 Does anyone know what route(s) these are to go on?
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Post by snowman on Apr 29, 2018 16:12:38 GMT
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Post by snowman on May 16, 2018 8:16:13 GMT
Looks like the Hydrogen buses will be going to Metroline, as the tender for the hydrogen fueling station states it will be located in Perivale (the user is shown as Metroline) Hydrogen bus refuelling station tender link From memory, think I have seen 23 buses listed somewhere (JIVE ?) This states minimum of 20 buses Which Metroline routes that could be based in Perivale have a PVR of 18-20 ? might not be existing route, could be one awaiting unannounced route tender award most obvious would be route 31
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Post by redexpress on May 16, 2018 9:36:34 GMT
Looks like the Hydrogen buses will be going to Metroline, as the tender for the hydrogen fueling station states it will be located in Perivale (the user is shown as Metroline) Hydrogen bus refuelling station tender link From memory, think I have seen 23 buses listed somewhere (JIVE ?) This states minimum of 20 buses Which Metroline routes that could be based in Perivale have a PVR of 18-20 ? might not be existing route, could be one awaiting unannounced route tender award most obvious would be route 31 The 31 is getting a PVR cut soon so won't need 20 buses. The 7 would fit the bill with a PVR of 19 (currently 22 but that includes the 3 extra school buses). The curtailment to Marble Arch (which I assume will happen at some point regardless of Oxford Street situation) will save a couple of buses though.
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Post by snowman on Sept 19, 2018 10:37:18 GMT
Looks like the Hydrogen buses will be going to Metroline, as the tender for the hydrogen fueling station states it will be located in Perivale (the user is shown as Metroline) Hydrogen bus refuelling station tender link From memory, think I have seen 23 buses listed somewhere (JIVE ?) This states minimum of 20 buses Which Metroline routes that could be based in Perivale have a PVR of 18-20 ? might not be existing route, could be one awaiting unannounced route tender award most obvious would be route 31 The 31 is getting a PVR cut soon so won't need 20 buses. The 7 would fit the bill with a PVR of 19 (currently 22 but that includes the 3 extra school buses). The curtailment to Marble Arch (which I assume will happen at some point regardless of Oxford Street situation) will save a couple of buses though. Route One Article, Wrightbus is building the hydrogen double deckers for Metroline, Perivale
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Post by snowman on Oct 8, 2018 9:58:34 GMT
The DfT has today issued a release on Low emissions bus monitoring Strangely the joint TfL / Birmingham bid for hydrogen buses now shows as 22 for Birmingham and 20 for London to operate from Lea Interchange, and I thought Metroline was getting them from Perivale Did I miss something an Operator and garage changed ? Government Link
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Post by snoggle on Oct 8, 2018 11:55:11 GMT
The DfT has today issued a release on Low emissions bus monitoring Strangely the joint TfL / Birmingham bid for hydrogen buses now shows as 22 for Birmingham and 20 for London to operate from Lea Interchange, and I thought Metroline was getting them from Perivale Did I miss something an Operator and garage changed ? Government Link This is just me speculating so no facts here. I wonder if funding issues have forced TfL to abandon the Perivale fuelling station and switch the experiment to LI with its existing facility. 20 hydrogen deckers would fit rather nicely on route 25. Obviously not a full allocation but not beyond the realms of imagination to see the hybrids yanked off the 212 and 308 and Volvo diesels replacing them. The 212 often sees VNs anyway. Before anyone does the maths and goes "ha ha you're wrong" I have NOT done the maths about allocations etc so my musings probably *are* wrong. It's just me pondering possibilities.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 8, 2018 13:31:39 GMT
The DfT has today issued a release on Low emissions bus monitoring Strangely the joint TfL / Birmingham bid for hydrogen buses now shows as 22 for Birmingham and 20 for London to operate from Lea Interchange, and I thought Metroline was getting them from Perivale Did I miss something an Operator and garage changed ? Government Link This is just me speculating so no facts here. I wonder if funding issues have forced TfL to abandon the Perivale fuelling station and switch the experiment to LI with its existing facility. 20 hydrogen deckers would fit rather nicely on route 25. Obviously not a full allocation but not beyond the realms of imagination to see the hybrids yanked off the 212 and 308 and Volvo diesels replacing them. The 212 often sees VNs anyway. Before anyone does the maths and goes "ha ha you're wrong" I have NOT done the maths about allocations etc so my musings probably *are* wrong. It's just me pondering possibilities. Actually, I think your onto something here - the 308 uses 14 hybrids and there are 20 hydrogen buses and the final TVR for the 25 should be 35 so your musings look quite solid as you only need to nick a hybrid from the 58 and there you go.
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Post by snowman on Oct 8, 2018 14:03:02 GMT
This is just me speculating so no facts here. I wonder if funding issues have forced TfL to abandon the Perivale fuelling station and switch the experiment to LI with its existing facility. 20 hydrogen deckers would fit rather nicely on route 25. Obviously not a full allocation but not beyond the realms of imagination to see the hybrids yanked off the 212 and 308 and Volvo diesels replacing them. The 212 often sees VNs anyway. Before anyone does the maths and goes "ha ha you're wrong" I have NOT done the maths about allocations etc so my musings probably *are* wrong. It's just me pondering possibilities. Actually, I think your onto something here - the 308 uses 14 hybrids and there are 20 hydrogen buses and the final TVR for the 25 should be 35 so your musings look quite solid as you only need to nick a hybrid from the 58 and there you go. Thinking about it further (maybe overthinking it as I don't know if the hydrogen buses can be delivered by end March) There is about 20-22 buses due for routes 262 (11 or 12) and route 473 (9 or 10). Could the 20 hydrogen buses be these (even if they end up being used on route 25 due to ULEZ) However, the Lea Interchange thing could be a DfT error, as I have now noticed that further down their document, they didn't know the routes of the 34 electric double decks, so with proof reading like that, could have been Perivale all along. vjaska idea does look neat, order about 20-21 buses, add them 14 from 308, then switch them onto 25
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Post by snoggle on Oct 8, 2018 14:23:06 GMT
However, the Lea Interchange thing could be a DfT error, as I have now noticed that further down their document, they didn't know the routes of the 34 electric double decks, so with proof reading like that, could have been Perivale all along. When I first looked at the press release I did wonder how up to date it was and then checked the date which is today's date and opted to say anything about that. I do agree with you that it's not exactly bang up to date and may well be wrong. We've got more electric single deckers in London service now and more imminent even if not funded from the LEB fund. Perhaps the DfT don't want to talk about stuff they haven't (part) funded?
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Post by snoggle on Dec 4, 2018 22:21:18 GMT
An update from a TfL Air Quality paper in the latest Programme and Investment Cttee Papers. Sub Programme | Cost | Scope | Target Date | Progress | Hydrogen bus | £5.9m | JIVE consortium funded initiative to procure 20 hydrogen buses and 2 refuelling stations in West London | Two additional buses | Two new hydrogen buses joined the fleet in 2018. |
The puzzling aspect of the above is the reference to two fuelling stations in West London. That's a new one on me. I assume the two extra buses is a reference to the Van Hool single deckers now languishing out of use at Lea Interchange. I see that ADL are now offering a fuel cell double decker version of the E40 MMC for purchase by operators (source - Coach and Bus Week)
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Post by snowman on Apr 11, 2019 14:48:59 GMT
Don't think anyone has linked this article from this week before, suggests London is getting 26 hydrogen buses under the JIVE funding Transport Engineer link
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