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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 11, 2019 15:29:24 GMT
Don't think anyone has linked this article from this week before, suggests London is getting 26 hydrogen buses under the JIVE funding Transport Engineer linkIt mentions that a fuelling facility eill be built in London so makes me think that it is Perivale as LI already has a fuelling facility
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Post by cc2005 on May 10, 2019 11:04:16 GMT
TfL Press Release - World-first hydrogen double decker buses to help tackle London’s toxic air PN-050 • Twenty British-built zero-emission hydrogen buses will arrive next year • Buses improve customer experience with USB charging points and smoother, quieter rides, while cleaning up London’s air • New framework will make zero-emission buses cheaper to buy, encouraging take up in other cities The world’s first hydrogen double decker buses will be introduced on three London bus routes next year, helping tackle the capital’s air quality crisis. Transport for London (TfL) has today ordered 20 of these green buses – which produce no pollution from their exhausts - as part of its drive to make London’s transport zero-emission. It follows the introduction of the world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone last month. The environment-friendly vehicles will be introduced on routes 245, 7 and N7, with people traveling to Wembley Stadium, or from west London to the West End, able to hop on the new green buses for a smoother and quieter journey. The new, modern buses will also enhance the customer experience, with on-board USB charging points making bus travel even more attractive. TfL is investing £12m in the new buses and the fuelling infrastructure. Wrightbus in Northern Ireland will manufacture them, creating new jobs in the region. More than £5 million of funding is being provided by European bodies and £1 million from the Office of Low Emission Vehicles. To encourage the take-up of this trailblazing technology in other cities in the UK and Europe, TfL is leading procurement within the ‘Joint Initiative for hydrogen Vehicles across Europe’ (JIVE) project. JIVE aims to bring down the cost of the vehicles by buying in bulk with other authorities - helping put the price per bus on a par with the other cleanest fuels. Here's the full press release: tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-press-release-world-first-hydrogen-double-decker-buses-to-help-tackle-londons-toxic-air
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 12:01:34 GMT
TfL Press Release - World-first hydrogen double decker buses to help tackle London’s toxic air PN-050 • Twenty British-built zero-emission hydrogen buses will arrive next year • Buses improve customer experience with USB charging points and smoother, quieter rides, while cleaning up London’s air • New framework will make zero-emission buses cheaper to buy, encouraging take up in other cities The world’s first hydrogen double decker buses will be introduced on three London bus routes next year, helping tackle the capital’s air quality crisis. Transport for London (TfL) has today ordered 20 of these green buses – which produce no pollution from their exhausts - as part of its drive to make London’s transport zero-emission. It follows the introduction of the world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone last month. The environment-friendly vehicles will be introduced on routes 245, 7 and N7, with people traveling to Wembley Stadium, or from west London to the West End, able to hop on the new green buses for a smoother and quieter journey. The new, modern buses will also enhance the customer experience, with on-board USB charging points making bus travel even more attractive. TfL is investing £12m in the new buses and the fuelling infrastructure. Wrightbus in Northern Ireland will manufacture them, creating new jobs in the region. More than £5 million of funding is being provided by European bodies and £1 million from the Office of Low Emission Vehicles. To encourage the take-up of this trailblazing technology in other cities in the UK and Europe, TfL is leading procurement within the ‘Joint Initiative for hydrogen Vehicles across Europe’ (JIVE) project. JIVE aims to bring down the cost of the vehicles by buying in bulk with other authorities - helping put the price per bus on a par with the other cleanest fuels. Here's the full press release: tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-press-release-world-first-hydrogen-double-decker-buses-to-help-tackle-londons-toxic-airThe 7 , I presume, would be the main beneficiary.
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Post by wirewiper on May 10, 2019 12:04:57 GMT
TfL Press Release - World-first hydrogen double decker buses to help tackle London’s toxic air PN-050 • Twenty British-built zero-emission hydrogen buses will arrive next year • Buses improve customer experience with USB charging points and smoother, quieter rides, while cleaning up London’s air • New framework will make zero-emission buses cheaper to buy, encouraging take up in other cities The world’s first hydrogen double decker buses will be introduced on three London bus routes next year, helping tackle the capital’s air quality crisis. Transport for London (TfL) has today ordered 20 of these green buses – which produce no pollution from their exhausts - as part of its drive to make London’s transport zero-emission. It follows the introduction of the world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone last month. The environment-friendly vehicles will be introduced on routes 245, 7 and N7, with people traveling to Wembley Stadium, or from west London to the West End, able to hop on the new green buses for a smoother and quieter journey. The new, modern buses will also enhance the customer experience, with on-board USB charging points making bus travel even more attractive. TfL is investing £12m in the new buses and the fuelling infrastructure. Wrightbus in Northern Ireland will manufacture them, creating new jobs in the region. More than £5 million of funding is being provided by European bodies and £1 million from the Office of Low Emission Vehicles. To encourage the take-up of this trailblazing technology in other cities in the UK and Europe, TfL is leading procurement within the ‘Joint Initiative for hydrogen Vehicles across Europe’ (JIVE) project. JIVE aims to bring down the cost of the vehicles by buying in bulk with other authorities - helping put the price per bus on a par with the other cleanest fuels. Here's the full press release: tfl-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/tfl-press-release-world-first-hydrogen-double-decker-buses-to-help-tackle-londons-toxic-airInteresting. I wonder why they have chosen to split them across the 7 and 245, which means that both routes will have dual vehicle-type allocations.
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Post by george on May 10, 2019 12:05:41 GMT
Will the 7 and 245 now be taken off any future tender programmes?
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Post by northken on May 10, 2019 12:17:54 GMT
Haha, another set of brand new buses for the 7/N7. That's the third batch in 5 years
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 12:18:02 GMT
Will the 7 and 245 now be taken off any future tender programmes? Can’t see how that would be appropriate. No mention of Metroline in the press release.
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Post by george on May 10, 2019 12:29:29 GMT
Will the 7 and 245 now be taken off any future tender programmes? Can’t see how that would be appropriate. No mention of Metroline in the press release. Well they RV1 was taken off the tender programme because of it having hydrogens. It's going to be a waste of money to say "here you go Metroline we will put hydrogen refulling facilities In your garage but by the way in a few years time you could lose the routes"
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Post by SILENCED on May 10, 2019 12:35:10 GMT
Can’t see how that would be appropriate. No mention of Metroline in the press release. Well they RV1 was taken off the tender programme because of it having hydrogens. It's going to be a waste of money to say "here you go Metroline we will put hydrogen refulling facilities In your garage but by the way in a few years time you could lose the routes" That is probably why the are jointly allocated ... lose one route, they go to the other.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 10, 2019 12:47:49 GMT
Well they RV1 was taken off the tender programme because of it having hydrogens. It's going to be a waste of money to say "here you go Metroline we will put hydrogen refulling facilities In your garage but by the way in a few years time you could lose the routes" That is probably why the are jointly allocated ... lose one route, they go to the other. I wonder who actually owns the Hydrogen infrastructure that will be installed at Perivale East. Should another operator win the 7 or 245 I wonder if they could still continue using the Hydrogen facilities.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 13:07:10 GMT
That is probably why the are jointly allocated ... lose one route, they go to the other. I wonder who actually owns the Hydrogen infrastructure that will be installed at Perivale East. Should another operator win the 7 or 245 I wonder if they could still continue using the Hydrogen facilities. It does raise questions, as the buses are clearly owned by TfL. But going forward, companies are going to have to massively invest in zero emission facilities just so they can run TfL contract work. So it may seem now in Metroline favour, but a few years down the line whose to say another garage close by won’t have Hydrogen refuelling facilities installed ?
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Post by SILENCED on May 10, 2019 13:17:28 GMT
I wonder who actually owns the Hydrogen infrastructure that will be installed at Perivale East. Should another operator win the 7 or 245 I wonder if they could still continue using the Hydrogen facilities. It does raise questions, as the buses are clearly owned by TfL. But going forward, companies are going to have to massively invest in zero emission facilities just so they can run TfL contract work. So it may seem now in Metroline favour, but a few years down the line whose to say another garage close by won’t have Hydrogen refuelling facilities installed ? You would hope that in a few years time it will become obvious as to whether we go down the electric or hydrogen route ... installing both infrastructures will be an unnecessary expense!
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Post by redbus on May 10, 2019 13:42:44 GMT
I think this is a good move, but I do struggle with the concept of 3 routes, as the 7 / N7 is more akin to a single route, but I digress.
If TfL own the buses, then logically they should own the fuelling equipment, which could theoretically be moved to another location if needed. If these routes were to be removed from the Tender programme, then what is stop Metroline from charging a very full price to operate the routes?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 13:45:51 GMT
I do wonder what will happen with the RV1 Hydrogen buses. It would make sense to send them to Metroline too if a route can be found for them.
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Post by SILENCED on May 10, 2019 13:47:00 GMT
I think this is a good move, but I do struggle with the concept of 3 routes, as the 7 / N7 is more akin to a single route, but I digress. If TfL own the buses, then logically they should own the fuelling equipment, which could theoretically be moved to another location if needed. If these routes were to be removed from the Tender programme, then what is stop Metroline from charging a very full price to operate the routes? You would not be able to physically move it without destroying a good percentage of the set up ... in a petrol station, if you move the pump to another site, it will not dispense fuel.
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