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Post by DT 11 on Jan 7, 2018 15:10:03 GMT
I agree with you on the choice of the 53 due to it's length but I'd have to disagree with the 363 personally Generally I disagree with rerouting any route across the flyover. However if needs be then the 53 is the most logical choice based on its relatively long running time. The 363 is a bizarre choice, surely its counterpart the 63 is more justified as it contends with more traffic in Central London? Though the 172 and 453 should've been selected with the 53 as they traverse the entire OKR which is generally a slog, while the rest of the routes alongside either terminate within the vicinity or diverge elsewhere. Having said that, I would just scrap the idea completely. Skipping two stops really isn't a problem. Those stops are well served by frequent buses. 53/453 & 63/363 both follow each other the majority of people using the 53 from Elephant & Castle are going to Woolwich and 363 beyond Honor Oak so I can see the logic in sending them over the Flyover.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 7, 2018 15:12:01 GMT
Because you can release land by changing the road network layout which can have posh flats built on it. All about money! Posh flats in Bow? I think it has more to do with environment issues such as air quality. You seem unaware of the scale of development that is happening near the Bow flyover already and the enormous redevelopment planned near Bromley by Bow on the site of the Tesco store. A lot of old industrial buildings have been turned into "posh flats" near the railway route into Liv St. There has also been a lot of development in and around Stratford (ignoring the Olympic Park). I am sure someone will construct an argument about air quality but unless you close the A11 and A12 routes in the area then you are stuck with an awful lot of vehicular traffic in that part of Bow.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2018 18:13:27 GMT
Posh flats in Bow? I think it has more to do with environment issues such as air quality. You seem unaware of the scale of development that is happening near the Bow flyover already and the enormous redevelopment planned near Bromley by Bow on the site of the Tesco store. A lot of old industrial buildings have been turned into "posh flats" near the railway route into Liv St. There has also been a lot of development in and around Stratford (ignoring the Olympic Park). I am sure someone will construct an argument about air quality but unless you close the A11 and A12 routes in the area then you are stuck with an awful lot of vehicular traffic in that part of Bow. And to add on, it’s not just limited to Bow either - it’s something that’s been happening everywhere be it a flyover, industrial buildings, council owned buildings etc.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2018 18:31:48 GMT
Generally I disagree with rerouting any route across the flyover. However if needs be then the 53 is the most logical choice based on its relatively long running time. The 363 is a bizarre choice, surely its counterpart the 63 is more justified as it contends with more traffic in Central London? Though the 172 and 453 should've been selected with the 53 as they traverse the entire OKR which is generally a slog, while the rest of the routes alongside either terminate within the vicinity or diverge elsewhere. Having said that, I would just scrap the idea completely. Skipping two stops really isn't a problem. Those stops are well served by frequent buses. 53/453 & 63/363 both follow each other the majority of people using the 53 from Elephant & Castle are going to Woolwich and 363 beyond Honor Oak so I can see the logic in sending them over the Flyover. There are two things I don’t like about this proposal and why their logic is flawed IMO: The flyover hardly saves much time at all as your simply deposited back into traffic. The lanes at the Bricklayers Arms Roundabout that usually have traffic in them are the ones heading towards Tower Bridge Road rather than Old Kent Road so it rather defeats the point. Anyone wanting to reach destinations not served by the other routes are forced to change which I don’t think is right or fair - it sends out the wrong message and simply gives further precedence to just quote, “Hopper Fare”.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 7, 2018 19:33:40 GMT
Skipping two stops really isn't a problem. Those stops are well served by frequent buses. 53/453 & 63/363 both follow each other the majority of people using the 53 from Elephant & Castle are going to Woolwich and 363 beyond Honor Oak so I can see the logic in sending them over the Flyover. There are two things I don’t like about this proposal and why their logic is flawed IMO: The flyover hardly saves much time at all as your simply deposited back into traffic. The lanes at the Bricklayers Arms Roundabout that usually have traffic in them are the ones heading towards Tower Bridge Road rather than Old Kent Road so it rather defeats the point. Anyone wanting to reach destinations not served by the other routes are forced to change which I don’t think is right or fair - it sends out the wrong message and simply gives further precedence to just quote, “Hopper Fare”. Well not really because all you have to do is walk to the previous or next stop the route still serves that road but not those stops no one is forced to use the hopper, people will just automatically use it without even thinking. Tbh sending these routes over the flyover is minor it’s not like every single route is going to be made to go over the flyover. The hopper ticket is going to be used as an excuse for everything now and nothing we can do which is no surprise this has gone ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 19:50:26 GMT
Too late for consultation discussion - the 463 is already running via the flyover.
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Post by sid on Jan 7, 2018 19:58:02 GMT
Too late for consultation discussion - the 463 is already running via the flyover. It wasn't yesterday.............neither was the 363!!!!
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2018 20:07:02 GMT
Too late for consultation discussion - the 463 is already running via the flyover. Sorry but anyone is allowed to discuss it from any side whether it’s gone through or not.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 7, 2018 20:08:54 GMT
There are two things I don’t like about this proposal and why their logic is flawed IMO: The flyover hardly saves much time at all as your simply deposited back into traffic. The lanes at the Bricklayers Arms Roundabout that usually have traffic in them are the ones heading towards Tower Bridge Road rather than Old Kent Road so it rather defeats the point. Anyone wanting to reach destinations not served by the other routes are forced to change which I don’t think is right or fair - it sends out the wrong message and simply gives further precedence to just quote, “Hopper Fare”. Well not really because all you have to do is walk to the previous or next stop the route still serves that road but not those stops no one is forced to use the hopper, people will just automatically use it without even thinking. Tbh sending these routes over the flyover is minor it’s not like every single route is going to be made to go over the flyover. The hopper ticket is going to be used as an excuse for everything now and nothing we can do which is no surprise this has gone ahead. Fair enough but even forgetting that point, there is very little time saving from running them over as you get deposited into traffic whether you use the flyover or slip road.
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Post by sid on Jan 8, 2018 9:21:37 GMT
Skipping two stops really isn't a problem. Those stops are well served by frequent buses. 53/453 & 63/363 both follow each other the majority of people using the 53 from Elephant & Castle are going to Woolwich and 363 beyond Honor Oak so I can see the logic in sending them over the Flyover. There are two things I don’t like about this proposal and why their logic is flawed IMO: The flyover hardly saves much time at all as your simply deposited back into traffic. The lanes at the Bricklayers Arms Roundabout that usually have traffic in them are the ones heading towards Tower Bridge Road rather than Old Kent Road so it rather defeats the point. Anyone wanting to reach destinations not served by the other routes are forced to change which I don’t think is right or fair - it sends out the wrong message and simply gives further precedence to just quote, “Hopper Fare”. It will certainly save a minute or two at least. The only points no longer served will be stops beyond Deptford Bridge and Honor Oak, far more people will benefit from a quicker journey.
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Post by sid on Jan 14, 2018 0:05:18 GMT
I saw a 363 going over the flyover this evening, don't know when that commenced but presumably the 53 will soon be doing likewise? I still think there could be some problems serving the East Street stop at busy times but we'll see what transpires.
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 14, 2018 0:33:25 GMT
I saw a 363 going over the flyover this evening, don't know when that commenced but presumably the 53 will soon be doing likewise? I still think there could be some problems serving the East Street stop at busy times but we'll see what transpires. Commenced last Saturday for route 363.
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Post by sid on Jan 14, 2018 0:38:29 GMT
I saw a 363 going over the flyover this evening, don't know when that commenced but presumably the 53 will soon be doing likewise? I still think there could be some problems serving the East Street stop at busy times but we'll see what transpires. Commenced last Saturday for route 363. I know it was supposed to but the 363's I saw last Saturday were still going round the roundabout.
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