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Post by sid on Jul 11, 2017 13:56:51 GMT
I quite like most of these ideas! Just two changes that I have concerns with... - Route 25 - This is quite an 'important' chunk that they're proposing to scrap. During the day (peak or off-peak times) I've seen many 25 buses fairly populated. It feels as if they are trying going to force people to use the Elizabeth Line. I feel it should at least get cut back to Holborn, or even Tottenham Court Road (although lack of stand space prevents this). - Route 115 - I fear the reliability will be heavily affected with traffic in the Whitechapel area. A big shame about the 25. All because of these stupid moronic twits at Oxford Street shops. As usual they would force everyone of the bus network purposely onto trains then after complain when trains are overcrowded.
Whitechapel Rd would affect the 115's reliability big time. I am surprised they haven't mentioned the D6, 106 proposals in this Crossrail network changes.
I'd hardly call those wanting to make Oxford Street safer moronic twits, the 25 would have been cut back anyway. It could still go to Holborn Station or TCR but TfL have deemed Holborn Circus to be sufficient.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2017 18:18:34 GMT
A big shame about the 25. All because of these stupid moronic twits at Oxford Street shops. As usual they would force everyone of the bus network purposely onto trains then after complain when trains are overcrowded.
Whitechapel Rd would affect the 115's reliability big time. I am surprised they haven't mentioned the D6, 106 proposals in this Crossrail network changes.
I'd hardly call those wanting to make Oxford Street safer moronic twits, the 25 would have been cut back anyway. It could still go to Holborn Station or TCR but TfL have deemed Holborn Circus to be sufficient. Indeed, it was always in the firing line for a snip regardless of what happened with Oxford Street. Holborn Circus is an odd place to terminate a massive route like the 25 though.
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Post by sid on Jul 11, 2017 18:48:44 GMT
I'd hardly call those wanting to make Oxford Street safer moronic twits, the 25 would have been cut back anyway. It could still go to Holborn Station or TCR but TfL have deemed Holborn Circus to be sufficient. Indeed, it was always in the firing line for a snip regardless of what happened with Oxford Street. Holborn Circus is an odd place to terminate a massive route like the 25 though. I would have thought Holborn Station would be much better although I was half expecting it to be cut back to Bank or even Aldgate!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 12, 2017 1:50:39 GMT
A big shame about the 25. All because of these stupid moronic twits at Oxford Street shops. As usual they would force everyone of the bus network purposely onto trains then after complain when trains are overcrowded.
Whitechapel Rd would affect the 115's reliability big time. I am surprised they haven't mentioned the D6, 106 proposals in this Crossrail network changes.
I'd hardly call those wanting to make Oxford Street safer moronic twits, the 25 would have been cut back anyway. It could still go to Holborn Station or TCR but TfL have deemed Holborn Circus to be sufficient. They are NOT wanting to make it safer, because they still want taxis to use it. If they could get their way they would also want cars to be allowed to use the streets again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 2:01:05 GMT
I'd hardly call those wanting to make Oxford Street safer moronic twits, the 25 would have been cut back anyway. It could still go to Holborn Station or TCR but TfL have deemed Holborn Circus to be sufficient. They are NOT wanting to make it safer, because they still want taxis to use it. If they could get their way they would also want cars to be allowed to use the streets again. I agree with capitalomnibus, seriously in some cases they don't know what they are doing to roads. Not crossrail related but Lea Bridge Road is a mess with the bus lanes removed.
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Post by sid on Jul 12, 2017 4:41:54 GMT
I'd hardly call those wanting to make Oxford Street safer moronic twits, the 25 would have been cut back anyway. It could still go to Holborn Station or TCR but TfL have deemed Holborn Circus to be sufficient. They are NOT wanting to make it safer, because they still want taxis to use it. If they could get their way they would also want cars to be allowed to use the streets again. My understanding is that Oxford Street will be completely traffic free, anyway the curtailing of the 25 at Holborn Circus isn't because of that.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 12, 2017 12:47:27 GMT
They are NOT wanting to make it safer, because they still want taxis to use it. If they could get their way they would also want cars to be allowed to use the streets again. My understanding is that Oxford Street will be completely traffic free, anyway the curtailing of the 25 at Holborn Circus isn't because of that. Err it is not yet clear whether it will be completely traffic free at all times. I've seen nothing confirmed on this as there is a debate ongoing about delivery access, catering for mobility impaired people and what on earth is done about night buses when there is no night tube service in operation. I agree there is a strong *desire* for a traffic free area from several quarters / stakeholders but not all of them. Although TfL may be disguising the 25's cutback as "Crossrail related" it is also clearly a pre-emptive move to get the 25 out of the way now and not face a further consultation round when plans for Oxford St are confirmed. The cutback is quite clearly related to the policy of pedestrianising Oxford St because Crossrail and the likely flow of people from stations is also heavily linked to the Mayor's desire to achieve pedestrianisation.
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Post by sid on Jul 12, 2017 12:57:44 GMT
My understanding is that Oxford Street will be completely traffic free, anyway the curtailing of the 25 at Holborn Circus isn't because of that. Err it is not yet clear whether it will be completely traffic free at all times. I've seen nothing confirmed on this as there is a debate ongoing about delivery access, catering for mobility impaired people and what on earth is done about night buses when there is no night tube service in operation. I agree there is a strong *desire* for a traffic free area from several quarters / stakeholders but not all of them. Although TfL may be disguising the 25's cutback as "Crossrail related" it is also clearly a pre-emptive move to get the 25 out of the way now and not face a further consultation round when plans for Oxford St are confirmed. The cutback is quite clearly related to the policy of pedestrianising Oxford St because Crossrail and the likely flow of people from stations is also heavily linked to the Mayor's desire to achieve pedestrianisation. Surely pedestrianisation means pedestrianisation just as Brexit means Brexit?
The 25 could still continue to TCR indeed I would suggest the N25 should Sun-Thur nights when there is no Central Line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 20:16:26 GMT
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 12, 2017 21:09:19 GMT
Though I attest to their journalism styles in terms of relaying information, local press in Newham have every right to report this as a 'big thing'. The other Crossrail-related changes in London span a couple boroughs at least; east London changes will solely occur in Newham. While most of these changes will sail through, controversy/uproar will only be drummed up when passengers hear about routes 474, 241 and 25 in particular. The latter will cause most broken links due to the volumes of numbers on the 25 and the rather long journeys done on that route. Six stops in on an early [5]am westbound journey, the bus will be packed by Little Ilford Lane with most of the passengers staying on well past Stratford. The 25 will be very controversial if Joe & Jenny Public catch wind of the plans; it's the poor man's route straight into central London and TfL will see a resistance by the lowest earners to shift to Crossrail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 17:08:06 GMT
If these changes go ahead when will they take place? Route 25 - cutting it back to Holborn will mean that only the 8 will continue to TCR and nothing to Oxford Circus.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 28, 2017 17:30:00 GMT
If these changes go ahead when will they take place? Route 25 - cutting it back to Holborn will mean that only the 8 will continue to TCR and nothing to Oxford Circus. We don't know when the changes will be made. TfL have reserved their position on this. I think TfL are playing a little experiment here - the Bank to Oxford Circus corridor is being turned into a secret trial of the "core route" concept. By ripping out overlapping routes they are seeing if one route can provide the main daily bus service. I know the 521 provides a M-F overlap but its capacity is not especially relevant except at the height of the peak and even then journeys are concentrated to and from rail terminals.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 30, 2017 20:29:47 GMT
I'd have liked new route 304 numbered 278 but the route 278 in Hayes & Harlington numbered 387.
This is because Docklands had a route 278 from Stoke Newington / Stratford to Victoria & Albert Docks not so long ago. The number 387 would match the class of train for the Great Western Railway electrification in the area!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 22:39:17 GMT
Overall for the East London Region I think the crossrail changes are disappointing and certainly lacks depth in terms of the potential opportunities TFL have in changing/creating routes.
I am relatively happy with the 115 change I do hope it doesn't affect reliability. It's absurd to curtail the 241 to Custom house I am sure people from Keir Herdie Estate like the links to Plaistow/Stratford. The extension to East wick will be carrying fresh air unless TFL are hiding something.I am struggling to see what the 474 rerouting via Custom House would achieve. Maybe feeding people to Custom House first to deter people from using Canning Town station? It's not a bad idea it's just not necessary I think.
The 25 change may have been inevitable due to Oxford Street pedestrianisation plans but I hoped to see it cut back to Holborn as Holborn Circus isn't an ideal place to terminate a big route. I think an opportunity was missed to somehow reroute the 25 to get to Farringdon or as close as possible and shove the 172 somewhere else of necessary. Would be a useful link and it would fit TFL'S criteria of getting passengers to use the Elizabeth line at both ends of the route.
Finally the 330. I am happy it's getting an extension but it's just to make sure Silvertown way still has a bus link so not exciting. Although I would hope to see the route get to Custom House if it fails to reach there I think it's a pathetic attempt by TFL to terminate the route at the isolated Connaught Bridge. I would prefer to get the route to London City Airport/Prince Regent as it would provide better travel connections with other bus routes and the DLR.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 2, 2017 1:57:27 GMT
It's dawned on me just why TfL renaged on the 300 plans as set out in the bus documentation papers. That cull to Custom House and extension to Stratford City cost upwards of £2.3 million; so one can safely assume TfL went into super saver mode when deciding on the 300?
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