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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 23:12:22 GMT
Considering all the extensions to various contracts in the Hammersmith area, are TfL going to launch a further consultation, because this one is going to impact on the next set of proposed changes.
Many permutations possible if you include a repaired Hammersmith Bridge and further Central London changes.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 27, 2018 1:40:46 GMT
Mayor's answer about the consultation outcome for Crossrail bus changes.
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Post by met120 on Apr 7, 2018 11:35:00 GMT
I’m awaiting the results of this consultation.
Although I still think the 112 and 427 ideas would be disastrous.
The 112 leaves Ealing with a heavy chunk of customers. The 427 also has heavy ridership from what I’ve observed. Abellio also run that service miles better than the predecessor. Meanwhile the 207 is super slow nowadays with those run down VWs that the 427 had.
TFL should also think of boosting the 607 frequency, it is always packed.
The 120 needs another frequency boost because it is also heavily used compared to the other routes that use Lady Margaret, South Road and King St. it always has double the amount of passengers of the 105 and H32 in terms of DD routes.
Lastly, I think they should think about the 140 and x140 idea before implementation. The E5 and 95 could do with a slight boost in frequency too.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 7, 2018 22:33:28 GMT
I’m awaiting the results of this consultation. Although I still think the 112 and 427 ideas would be disastrous. The 112 leaves Ealing with a heavy chunk of customers. The 427 also has heavy ridership from what I’ve observed. Abellio also run that service miles better than the predecessor. Meanwhile the 207 is super slow nowadays with those run down VWs that the 427 had. TFL should also think of boosting the 607 frequency, it is always packed. The 120 needs another frequency boost because it is also heavily used compared to the other routes that use Lady Margaret, South Road and King St. it always has double the amount of passengers of the 105 and H32 in terms of DD routes. Lastly, I think they should think about the 140 and x140 idea before implementation. The E5 and 95 could do with a slight boost in frequency too. Good luck in getting all those frequency increases given the state of the finances. I agree that the changes to the 112 & 427 are backwards steps given the 112 already has to contend with the very busy North Circular Road & Brent Cross which is regularly jammed whilst the 427’s passengers won’t all magically transfer to Crossrail - the bus is there to work in tandem with Crossrail not be cut back for it.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 8, 2018 8:02:14 GMT
I’m awaiting the results of this consultation. Although I still think the 112 and 427 ideas would be disastrous. The 112 leaves Ealing with a heavy chunk of customers. The 427 also has heavy ridership from what I’ve observed. Abellio also run that service miles better than the predecessor. Meanwhile the 207 is super slow nowadays with those run down VWs that the 427 had. TFL should also think of boosting the 607 frequency, it is always packed. The 120 needs another frequency boost because it is also heavily used compared to the other routes that use Lady Margaret, South Road and King St. it always has double the amount of passengers of the 105 and H32 in terms of DD routes. Lastly, I think they should think about the 140 and x140 idea before implementation. The E5 and 95 could do with a slight boost in frequency too. Good luck in getting all those frequency increases given the state of the finances. I agree that the changes to the 112 & 427 are backwards steps given the 112 already has to contend with the very busy North Circular Road & Brent Cross which is regularly jammed whilst the 427’s passengers won’t all magically transfer to Crossrail - the bus is there to work in tandem with Crossrail not be cut back for it. With the 112, it would be far more effective to extend a shorter route from Ealing to Osterley, perhaps the E1. I agree about the 427. For shorter journeys, passengers will still want to use a bus, and will not use crossrail instead. For longer journeys, many passengers will likely already be using GWR or Heathrow Connect, or the Underground from Ealing. The 427 is a long route, and so cutting it would improve reliability. The change does also give a link from areas it serves to Southall Station, however Hillingdon/Hayes/Uxbridge already have sufficient links on West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington stations on the same line. I would instead terminate the 427 at Ealing Hospital (if stand space if available) to improve links to/from the Hospital. Other changes could then aid the withdrawn section. The proposed 306 route is quite short - I would extend that from Acton Vale along Uxbridge Road to also terminate at Ealing Broadway. I also think a new route would be useful between Ealing and Willesden Junction, serving North Ealing, West Acton and North Acton stations, and possibly linking to Acton Main Line as well for crossrail. This route could be extended the other way towards Southall to again cover some of the withdrawn 427 section.
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Post by met120 on Apr 8, 2018 10:45:56 GMT
I’m awaiting the results of this consultation. Although I still think the 112 and 427 ideas would be disastrous. The 112 leaves Ealing with a heavy chunk of customers. The 427 also has heavy ridership from what I’ve observed. Abellio also run that service miles better than the predecessor. Meanwhile the 207 is super slow nowadays with those run down VWs that the 427 had. TFL should also think of boosting the 607 frequency, it is always packed. The 120 needs another frequency boost because it is also heavily used compared to the other routes that use Lady Margaret, South Road and King St. it always has double the amount of passengers of the 105 and H32 in terms of DD routes. Lastly, I think they should think about the 140 and x140 idea before implementation. The E5 and 95 could do with a slight boost in frequency too. Good luck in getting all those frequency increases given the state of the finances. I agree that the changes to the 112 & 427 are backwards steps given the 112 already has to contend with the very busy North Circular Road & Brent Cross which is regularly jammed whilst the 427’s passengers won’t all magically transfer to Crossrail - the bus is there to work in tandem with Crossrail not be cut back for it. The 427 one would be a waste. The current boosted peak frequency on GWR hasn’t made a difference to the Uxbridge Rd corridor. Although it seems that customers are flocking to the 427/607 compared to the 207. Out of all the routes that I mentioned in terms of frequency, the 120 needs it the most. I’m glad TFL at least raised it to 8-9 minutes in the peak.
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Post by met120 on Apr 8, 2018 10:48:21 GMT
Good luck in getting all those frequency increases given the state of the finances. I agree that the changes to the 112 & 427 are backwards steps given the 112 already has to contend with the very busy North Circular Road & Brent Cross which is regularly jammed whilst the 427’s passengers won’t all magically transfer to Crossrail - the bus is there to work in tandem with Crossrail not be cut back for it. With the 112, it would be far more effective to extend a shorter route from Ealing to Osterley, perhaps the E1. I agree about the 427. For shorter journeys, passengers will still want to use a bus, and will not use crossrail instead. For longer journeys, many passengers will likely already be using GWR or Heathrow Connect, or the Underground from Ealing. The 427 is a long route, and so cutting it would improve reliability. The change does also give a link from areas it serves to Southall Station, however Hillingdon/Hayes/Uxbridge already have sufficient links on West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington stations on the same line. I would instead terminate the 427 at Ealing Hospital (if stand space if available) to improve links to/from the Hospital. Other changes could then aid the withdrawn section. The proposed 306 route is quite short - I would extend that from Acton Vale along Uxbridge Road to also terminate at Ealing Broadway. I also think a new route would be useful between Ealing and Willesden Junction, serving North Ealing, West Acton and North Acton stations, and possibly linking to Acton Main Line as well for crossrail. This route could be extended the other way towards Southall to again cover some of the withdrawn 427 section. The E1 would be a better candidate for an extension. I don’t think there would be stand space for the 427 at Ealing Hospital. Ealing Broadway would’ve been better but there is no space there either.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 8, 2018 11:35:41 GMT
With the 112, it would be far more effective to extend a shorter route from Ealing to Osterley, perhaps the E1. I agree about the 427. For shorter journeys, passengers will still want to use a bus, and will not use crossrail instead. For longer journeys, many passengers will likely already be using GWR or Heathrow Connect, or the Underground from Ealing. The 427 is a long route, and so cutting it would improve reliability. The change does also give a link from areas it serves to Southall Station, however Hillingdon/Hayes/Uxbridge already have sufficient links on West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington stations on the same line. I would instead terminate the 427 at Ealing Hospital (if stand space if available) to improve links to/from the Hospital. Other changes could then aid the withdrawn section. The proposed 306 route is quite short - I would extend that from Acton Vale along Uxbridge Road to also terminate at Ealing Broadway. I also think a new route would be useful between Ealing and Willesden Junction, serving North Ealing, West Acton and North Acton stations, and possibly linking to Acton Main Line as well for crossrail. This route could be extended the other way towards Southall to again cover some of the withdrawn 427 section. The E1 would be a better candidate for an extension. I don’t think there would be stand space for the 427 at Ealing Hospital. Ealing Broadway would’ve been better but there is no space there either. Though space will be made available at Ealing Broadway if the 112 (or alternative route) is extended to Osterley.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2018 12:14:20 GMT
Good luck in getting all those frequency increases given the state of the finances. I agree that the changes to the 112 & 427 are backwards steps given the 112 already has to contend with the very busy North Circular Road & Brent Cross which is regularly jammed whilst the 427’s passengers won’t all magically transfer to Crossrail - the bus is there to work in tandem with Crossrail not be cut back for it. With the 112, it would be far more effective to extend a shorter route from Ealing to Osterley, perhaps the E1. I agree about the 427. For shorter journeys, passengers will still want to use a bus, and will not use crossrail instead. For longer journeys, many passengers will likely already be using GWR or Heathrow Connect, or the Underground from Ealing. The 427 is a long route, and so cutting it would improve reliability. The change does also give a link from areas it serves to Southall Station, however Hillingdon/Hayes/Uxbridge already have sufficient links on West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington stations on the same line. I would instead terminate the 427 at Ealing Hospital (if stand space if available) to improve links to/from the Hospital. Other changes could then aid the withdrawn section. The proposed 306 route is quite short - I would extend that from Acton Vale along Uxbridge Road to also terminate at Ealing Broadway. I also think a new route would be useful between Ealing and Willesden Junction, serving North Ealing, West Acton and North Acton stations, and possibly linking to Acton Main Line as well for crossrail. This route could be extended the other way towards Southall to again cover some of the withdrawn 427 section. I agree that the E1 or the E9 would both be better given their relatively short lengths and the fact they don't have to contend with the level of traffic that the 112 does. I'd also not send the 112 via Madeley Road as proposed and either scrap that part of the proposal or send the E11 along there. The 427 does not need to be cut at all - a large part of its route is free flowing until Uxbridge Road narrows near West Ealing and the 427 already serves the hospital - it's only a short walk from the stop to the traffic lights to cross. No idea if a new route is needed to link those stations but the 306 could do it.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Apr 8, 2018 12:43:23 GMT
I agree that the E1 or the E9 would both be better given their relatively short lengths and the fact they don't have to contend with the level of traffic that the 112 does. E1 yes, but not E9 - the section past Greenford, where the access to the A40 is located (the junction) is regularly jammed to the brim - which would also make the Greenford Station E1 extension difficult. 105/E6 regularly get stuck queueing. 282, which also heads that way (towards Northolt) always gets battered, stuck in traffic for ageees and getting Northwood Hills turns and all.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 8, 2018 12:45:28 GMT
I agree that the E1 or the E9 would both be better given their relatively short lengths and the fact they don't have to contend with the level of traffic that the 112 does. E1 yes, but not E9 - the section past Greenford, where the access to the A40 is located (the junction) is regularly jammed to the brim - which would also make the Greenford Station E1 extension difficult. 105/E6 regular get stuck queueing. 282, which also heads that way (towards Northolt) always gets battered, stuck in traffic for ageees and getting Northwood Hills turns and all. Ah yes, forgot about Greenford Broadway - yes that's bad for traffic but still better than the North Circular lol.
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 8, 2018 12:57:28 GMT
Good luck in getting all those frequency increases given the state of the finances. I agree that the changes to the 112 & 427 are backwards steps given the 112 already has to contend with the very busy North Circular Road & Brent Cross which is regularly jammed whilst the 427’s passengers won’t all magically transfer to Crossrail - the bus is there to work in tandem with Crossrail not be cut back for it. The 427 one would be a waste. The current boosted peak frequency on GWR hasn’t made a difference to the Uxbridge Rd corridor. Although it seems that customers are flocking to the 427/607 compared to the 207. Out of all the routes that I mentioned in terms of frequency, the 120 needs it the most. I’m glad TFL at least raised it to 8-9 minutes in the peak. I'm a fan of the direct link between South Road and The Broadway which the changed 427 will end up providing, I think it could be decently popular . Even better if it was extended down Merrick Road to Norwood Green . As for the 120, if anything it feels that little bit less busy for most of the day on weekdays, compared to a few years ago current frequency has been in place for several years.
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Post by met120 on Apr 8, 2018 15:23:37 GMT
The 427 one would be a waste. The current boosted peak frequency on GWR hasn’t made a difference to the Uxbridge Rd corridor. Although it seems that customers are flocking to the 427/607 compared to the 207. Out of all the routes that I mentioned in terms of frequency, the 120 needs it the most. I’m glad TFL at least raised it to 8-9 minutes in the peak. I'm a fan of the direct link between South Road and The Broadway which the changed 427 will end up providing, I think it could be decently popular . Even better if it was extended down Merrick Road to Norwood Green . As for the 120, if anything it feels that little bit less busy for most of the day on weekdays, compared to a few years ago current frequency has been in place for several years. I would actually like to see a route go via Merrick Road especially as they are building new flats down that side and it’s also faster to Norwood Green and Havelock/Toplocks. Also regarding the 120, the frequency was similar with 7-10 mins between 7am and 7pm, Metroline have did a top notch job since gaining the contract last june so not too much to complain about but the loads are heavy particularly during peak.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 8, 2018 16:39:15 GMT
With the 112, it would be far more effective to extend a shorter route from Ealing to Osterley, perhaps the E1. I agree about the 427. For shorter journeys, passengers will still want to use a bus, and will not use crossrail instead. For longer journeys, many passengers will likely already be using GWR or Heathrow Connect, or the Underground from Ealing. The 427 is a long route, and so cutting it would improve reliability. The change does also give a link from areas it serves to Southall Station, however Hillingdon/Hayes/Uxbridge already have sufficient links on West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington stations on the same line. I would instead terminate the 427 at Ealing Hospital (if stand space if available) to improve links to/from the Hospital. Other changes could then aid the withdrawn section. The proposed 306 route is quite short - I would extend that from Acton Vale along Uxbridge Road to also terminate at Ealing Broadway. I also think a new route would be useful between Ealing and Willesden Junction, serving North Ealing, West Acton and North Acton stations, and possibly linking to Acton Main Line as well for crossrail. This route could be extended the other way towards Southall to again cover some of the withdrawn 427 section. I agree that the E1 or the E9 would both be better given their relatively short lengths and the fact they don't have to contend with the level of traffic that the 112 does. I'd also not send the 112 via Madeley Road as proposed and either scrap that part of the proposal or send the E11 along there. The 427 does not need to be cut at all - a large part of its route is free flowing until Uxbridge Road narrows near West Ealing and the 427 already serves the hospital - it's only a short walk from the stop to the traffic lights to cross. No idea if a new route is needed to link those stations but the 306 could do it. The suggested 306 extension to Ealing Broadway would replace the 427 along that section in order to provide an unchanged frequency along the Uxbridge Road corridor between Ealing and Acton.
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Post by Hassaan on Apr 10, 2018 19:25:54 GMT
I'm a fan of the direct link between South Road and The Broadway which the changed 427 will end up providing, I think it could be decently popular . Even better if it was extended down Merrick Road to Norwood Green . As for the 120, if anything it feels that little bit less busy for most of the day on weekdays, compared to a few years ago current frequency has been in place for several years. I would actually like to see a route go via Merrick Road especially as they are building new flats down that side and it’s also faster to Norwood Green and Havelock/Toplocks. Also regarding the 120, the frequency was similar with 7-10 mins between 7am and 7pm, Metroline have did a top notch job since gaining the contract last june so not too much to complain about but the loads are heavy particularly during peak. Yeah it would certainly be faster for those places. Loads of people (including myself) took advantage of the diverted buses when The Green was closed for 10 days last month . Metroline have certainly been good since they've taken over, especially once the Park Avenue closure finished. For 6 months they had given 5-7 extra minutes near Southall Broadway for pavement works, but the extra time wasn't needed on all but a few occasions. Luckily they ignored early running if the headways were good (which they were most of the time) so there was almost no regulation. Although as the day went on they had to depart 5+ minutes early from both ends in order to maintain the headway, so predictions couldn't always be relied on until the buses have departed. But since the temporary timetable finished the headways don't seem as even as before.
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