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Post by ak121 on Oct 13, 2018 23:22:57 GMT
Let me guess the E10 is probably going the same way where the planned 112 extension was suppose to go via the 65 and the A4. A busy single deck route following a busy double deck route that's a great idea. Couldn't they have extended the E1 instead. I think they should leave the E1 as it is, it is designed to be a short commuter link between Ealing and Greenford Broadways. If this route gets extended, chaos will occur due to the traffic and bunching will no doubt happen. Thus leading to mostly negative change to the current E1 users. However, I also think the E10 should be left alone as well because it serves vast housing estates and roads by itself, if it gets extended, more curtailments and disruption will happen: the E10 will struggle. I think TfL should either extended route E9 as even if there are delays, curtailments wouldn't be as bad as on the E1 or the E10 as the E9 is covered by the E2, E7 and 90. If the service is less reliable, residents in the only section the E9 serves by itself (Barnhill Estate) can walk to 140 or 90 stops. If not, TfL could also introduce a new E4 covering all the route from Osterley to Ealing, using double deckers or single deckers, this means any delays are kept on to one new route and not destroying existing routes. Like the E1, the E4 will / could be a short commuter link from Osterley to Ealing.
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Post by COBO on Oct 14, 2018 1:05:29 GMT
Let me guess the E10 is probably going the same way where the planned 112 extension was suppose to go via the 65 and the A4. A busy single deck route following a busy double deck route that's a great idea. Couldn't they have extended the E1 instead. I think they should leave the E1 as it is, it is designed to be a short commuter link between Ealing and Greenford Broadways. If this route gets extended, chaos will occur due to the traffic and bunching will no doubt happen. Thus leading to mostly negative change to the current E1 users. However, I also think the E10 should be left alone as well because it serves vast housing estates and roads by itself, if it gets extended, more curtailments and disruption will happen: the E10 will struggle. I think TfL should either extended route E9 as even if there are delays, curtailments wouldn't be as bad as on the E1 or the E10 as the E9 is covered by the E2, E7 and 90. If the service is less reliable, residents in the only section the E9 serves by itself (Barnhill Estate) can walk to 140 or 90 stops. If not, TfL could also introduce a new E4 covering all the route from Osterley to Ealing, using double deckers or single deckers, this means any delays are kept on to one new route and not destroying existing routes. Like the E1, the E4 will / could be a short commuter link from Osterley to Ealing. Where would the people in Osterley rely on if there was trouble on the E9? The E1 also has 207, 427, 483, E2, E3, E7, E8, E9, E10, E11, N7 and N207 to help out if it was in trouble. I still would prefer that the E1 was extended to Osterley because its short and the double deckers can pick up the passengers left behind from the 65. And also people at Osterley can benefit from a Weekend night service.
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Post by snowman on Oct 14, 2018 6:19:37 GMT
Let me guess the E10 is probably going the same way where the planned 112 extension was suppose to go via the 65 and the A4. A busy single deck route following a busy double deck route that's a great idea. Couldn't they have extended the E1 instead. The whole Osterley extension remains an odd concept to me, as the journey is already possible by using the 65 and H91 Of course that requires a change (how many times have TfL pushed hopper is good for changing) Anyone from Central London would use the train to Syon Lane station, so Crossrail to Ealing and an indirect L shaped 3 mile bus journey seems an illogical routing I am even less convinced about mixing single and double deck buses, on the section to South Ealing/Brentford borders, what happens at Ealing Broadway if customers get off train and single deck arrives first, do some not get on if full. Currently Sky run 3 buses : S1 to Osterley station along Great West Road, (every 10 mins) S2 to Gunnersbury (peak hours) S3 to Ealing Broadway and this E10 appears to duplicate S3. Are they contributing to this extension instead of paying for their own service. s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/skygroup-sky-static/documents/about-sky/our-locations/map-for-visitors---august-2016.pdfs3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/skygroup-sky-static/documents/about-sky/our-locations/map-for-visitors---updated-.pdfA site on corner of Syon Lane is currently empty and the massive Homebase on other corner is being closed so the extension will effectively end near 2 derelict sites by the time it opens in June
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 14, 2018 8:00:17 GMT
Let me guess the E10 is probably going the same way where the planned 112 extension was suppose to go via the 65 and the A4. A busy single deck route following a busy double deck route that's a great idea. Couldn't they have extended the E1 instead. The whole Osterley extension remains an odd concept to me, as the journey is already possible by using the 65 and H91 Of course that requires a change (how many times have TfL pushed hopper is good for changing) Anyone from Central London would use the train to Syon Lane station, so Crossrail to Ealing and an indirect L shaped 3 mile bus journey seems an illogical routing I am even less convinced about mixing single and double deck buses, on the section to South Ealing/Brentford borders, what happens at Ealing Broadway if customers get off train and single deck arrives first, do some not get on if full. Currently Sky run 3 buses : S1 to Osterley station along Great West Road, (every 10 mins) S2 to Gunnersbury (peak hours) S3 to Ealing Broadway and this E10 appears to duplicate S3. Are they contributing to this extension instead of paying for their own service. s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/skygroup-sky-static/documents/about-sky/our-locations/map-for-visitors---august-2016.pdfs3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/skygroup-sky-static/documents/about-sky/our-locations/map-for-visitors---updated-.pdfA site on corner of Syon Lane is currently empty and the massive Homebase on other corner is being closed so the extension will effectively end near 2 derelict sites by the time it opens in June Plus the E8 stops within walking distance of Osterley. A short extension of the E2 to Osterley via Syon Lane Station could be a possible alternative.
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Post by LBOTG on Oct 14, 2018 10:49:20 GMT
The E10 extension is slightly better than the 112 but still really not ideal. If long distance single deckers are able to work the route after modifications then that is slightly better, but the 65 corridor into Ealing is very busy and having a mix of capacity available won't end well. The E10, as other people have said, is already very pressured at the moment and serves isolated areas - it was split into the E10 and E11 years and years ago for a reason! I think it should be kept at Ealing Broadway as buses often leave there heaving in the afternoon - having any long distance passengers too is not ideal.
The Osterley extension does seem a bit random - presumably Sky have decided not to run some of their shuttles anymore so TfL have been paid to step in. Most Central London commuters do use Syon Lane, Brentford or even the H91 for the tube so this is really for residents of Ealing, maybe a smattering for areas around Paddington.
The E9 would honestly be the best route to extend - it is quite short at the moment and as others have said is duplicated a lot so any decline in service quality wouldn't be the end of the world. Its usage has grown considerably with DDs but is still one of the quieter routes arriving into Ealing Broadway. The cross-Ealing links it would provide would definitely be the best on offer - in addition to those from Osterley (a bus to Tesco Extra and Homebase would prove popular anyway) and Greenford, you get a direct bus between South Ealing and Pitshanger. As a local, I am almost certain that it would be very well used, with the facilities on offer at Pitshanger being perfectly appropriate for people of South Ealing, which is quite similar to Northfields and this latter area already has the E2 as a link. It has double deckers too, so would assist the 65 rather appropriately.
Although on paper the E1 looks best, leave it alone. It's a less extreme W7, buses are heaving from Ealing Broadway and despite some questionable reliability levels it is really doing quite well as a shuttle-type service.
In summary, send the E9 over, not the E10!
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Post by redexpress on Oct 14, 2018 13:23:05 GMT
Agree with the points made here on the Osterley extension, but I suspect the main reason the E10 has been chosen is simply that it is the least frequent of the routes that could potentially have been extended. So TfL have just gone for the cheapest possible option, rather than the best possible option (which I agree would have been the E9).
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Post by met120 on Oct 14, 2018 15:19:42 GMT
The E2/E9 should be combined into one route. Withdraw one.
They could possibly extend the E1 too. It’s only busy in the peaks.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 14, 2018 16:16:38 GMT
The E2/E9 should be combined into one route. Withdraw one. They could possibly extend the E1 too. It’s only busy in the peaks. Or merge the E2/E9, then extend from Brentford to Osterley (via Syon Lane).
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Post by vjaska on Oct 14, 2018 17:14:12 GMT
The E2/E9 should be combined into one route. Withdraw one. They could possibly extend the E1 too. It’s only busy in the peaks. I'm not a fan of combining two routes into 1 as there is generally little benefits from doing so - the E2 & E9 also have quite different frequencies with the E2 running every 7-8 minutes and the E9 every 12 so it doesn't work from that point of view.
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Post by aaron1 on Oct 14, 2018 18:39:31 GMT
Great News but it's not a Dacia Sandero Top Gear Joke The 440 is going be Extended to Wembley Arena. On The 25 May 2019 and it happing
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Post by ak121 on Oct 15, 2018 17:52:21 GMT
The E2/E9 should be combined into one route. Withdraw one. They could possibly extend the E1 too. It’s only busy in the peaks. The route would be quite long and traffic would absolutely kill it.
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Post by sid on Oct 15, 2018 18:15:54 GMT
The E2/E9 should be combined into one route. Withdraw one. They could possibly extend the E1 too. It’s only busy in the peaks. The route would be quite long and traffic would absolutely kill it. Brentford to Barnhill Estate can hardly be described as quite long. The only stumbling block I can see is that they currently have different frequencies.
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Post by snowman on Nov 29, 2018 6:13:57 GMT
Results / Proposals updated 27 Nov consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/elizabeth-line/We plan to go ahead with the changes consulted on for routes 140/N140, X140, 223, N266, 391, 427, 697 and E3. We will also be going ahead with changes to routes 218, 266, 278, 306, 440, 698 and E10 with some amendments to those consulted on. The introduction of the changes to routes 95, E5 and H32 will be delayed until new roads are available at the Southall Waterside (Gasworks) site. We will also be making the changes consulted on to route 440 in the Acton and Park Royal areas. However, we will not be going ahead with the changes proposed to the route the Chiswick area at this time and have consulted separately on revised proposals to route 440 in Chiswick, which can be viewed at: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-27-and-440/We will be introducing larger 60 capacity single deck buses on route E10, but will not be altering the route frequency. On route 698, we will be withdrawing one rather than two return journeys. We will not going ahead with the extension of route 112 between Ealing Broadway and Osterley, Tesco, but will be consulting separately on revised proposals on a new service for this corridor in due course. We will also not be going ahead with the frequency reduction on route E1 and the frequency increase on route 120.
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Post by uakari on Nov 29, 2018 8:23:12 GMT
Results / Proposals updated 27 Nov consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/elizabeth-line/We plan to go ahead with the changes consulted on for routes 140/N140, X140, 223, N266, 391, 427, 697 and E3. We will also be going ahead with changes to routes 218, 266, 278, 306, 440, 698 and E10 with some amendments to those consulted on. The introduction of the changes to routes 95, E5 and H32 will be delayed until new roads are available at the Southall Waterside (Gasworks) site. We will also be making the changes consulted on to route 440 in the Acton and Park Royal areas. However, we will not be going ahead with the changes proposed to the route the Chiswick area at this time and have consulted separately on revised proposals to route 440 in Chiswick, which can be viewed at: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-27-and-440/We will be introducing larger 60 capacity single deck buses on route E10, but will not be altering the route frequency. On route 698, we will be withdrawing one rather than two return journeys. We will not going ahead with the extension of route 112 between Ealing Broadway and Osterley, Tesco, but will be consulting separately on revised proposals on a new service for this corridor in due course. We will also not be going ahead with the frequency reduction on route E1 and the frequency increase on route 120. So much for the 112 extension being one of the 'whole number' of improvements to outer London bus services that Heidi Alexander could talk about.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 29, 2018 9:37:43 GMT
Results / Proposals updated 27 Nov consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/elizabeth-line/We plan to go ahead with the changes consulted on for routes 140/N140, X140, 223, N266, 391, 427, 697 and E3. We will also be going ahead with changes to routes 218, 266, 278, 306, 440, 698 and E10 with some amendments to those consulted on. The introduction of the changes to routes 95, E5 and H32 will be delayed until new roads are available at the Southall Waterside (Gasworks) site. We will also be making the changes consulted on to route 440 in the Acton and Park Royal areas. However, we will not be going ahead with the changes proposed to the route the Chiswick area at this time and have consulted separately on revised proposals to route 440 in Chiswick, which can be viewed at: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-27-and-440/We will be introducing larger 60 capacity single deck buses on route E10, but will not be altering the route frequency. On route 698, we will be withdrawing one rather than two return journeys. We will not going ahead with the extension of route 112 between Ealing Broadway and Osterley, Tesco, but will be consulting separately on revised proposals on a new service for this corridor in due course. We will also not be going ahead with the frequency reduction on route E1 and the frequency increase on route 120. So much for the 112 extension being one of the 'whole number' of improvements to outer London bus services that Heidi Alexander could talk about. I'm not sure she was referring to that proposal as the Crossrail consultations have had their reports out for months now - the 112 was the worst route to extend given the heavy traffic on the A406 which impacts on it daily.
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