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Post by COBO on May 4, 2019 21:37:12 GMT
I was thinking to make space at Harrow to maybe have the H14 extended from Northwick Park Hospital to Westway Cross, the 395 to Northwick Park and the 278 to Harrow. I wonder if the 223 and 395 could be merged together one route to solve the problem of limited stand space at Harrow. Northolt and South Harrow could do with a link to Wembley. Again, extending all those rotues cost money which TfL clearly doesn't want to spend currently. If only TfL had a load of money.
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Post by shroudoffrost on May 9, 2019 17:52:11 GMT
You'd get more stand space in Harrow if you pull the H9 and H10 out of it.
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Post by wirewiper on May 9, 2019 18:08:20 GMT
You'd get more stand space in Harrow if you pull the H9 and H10 out of it. Also if you run the 182 and 186 direct via Station Road and not have them double-run via the Bus Station. The trouble with Harrow Bus Station is that it dates from the early 1980s when bus use and bus services was in a continual downward spiral, so it has become inadequate for the explosion in routes, passenger and vehicle numbers that has occurred since. In an ideal world where money was no object Harrow-on-the-Hill station would be covered over and a huge new bus interchange built on top.
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Post by shroudoffrost on May 9, 2019 18:29:02 GMT
You'd get more stand space in Harrow if you pull the H9 and H10 out of it. Also if you run the 182 and 186 direct via Station Road and not have them double-run via the Bus Station. The trouble with Harrow Bus Station is that it dates from the early 1980s when bus use and bus services was in a continual downward spiral, so it has become inadequate for the explosion in routes, passenger and vehicle numbers that has occurred since. In an ideal world where money was no object Harrow-on-the-Hill station would be covered over and a huge new bus interchange built on top. I've heard of a similar proposal to your idea.
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Post by londonbuses2018 on May 9, 2019 18:54:48 GMT
266 Acton to Hendon via 113,186 and 183 (This being the Station, Buses will stand at the new Wilberforce Raod Bus stands - Connects Hendon to Willesden, Harlesden and Acton Crossrail Station.
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Post by foxhat on May 23, 2019 11:56:04 GMT
You'd get more stand space in Harrow if you pull the H9 and H10 out of it. As Harrow circular routes, where would you put them if not a the bus station, and would you link the 18 and 19 with it?
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Post by kmkcheng on May 23, 2019 12:10:35 GMT
You'd get more stand space in Harrow if you pull the H9 and H10 out of it. Maybe they should change the terminus for all the Harrow circular routes. Rather than having Harrow Bus station as the terminus, they could maybe do a Wealdstone to Wealdstone service for H9/10 and a Harrow Weald to Harrow Weald service for H18/19. That should clear up some stand space at Harrow
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Post by COBO on May 29, 2019 22:03:51 GMT
I wonder if the E10 will be receiving those 60 capacity single deckers from later date because I can’t understand why the E10 is receiving 9.0m Enviro 200 MMCs from when it goes to Abellio in June 2019 after TfL says it going to receive 60 capacity single deckers. Will the 9.0m be replaced by 60 capacity single deckers at later date?
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Post by busman on May 30, 2019 7:53:40 GMT
You'd get more stand space in Harrow if you pull the H9 and H10 out of it. Maybe they should change the terminus for all the Harrow circular routes. Rather than having Harrow Bus station as the terminus, they could maybe do a Wealdstone to Wealdstone service for H9/10 and a Harrow Weald to Harrow Weald service for H18/19. That should clear up some stand space at Harrow This is such an obvious solution for the lack of stand space at Harrow. However it would mean a halving of frequency in buses to Harrow town centre for passengers living around the middle of those two routes.
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Post by kmkcheng on May 30, 2019 11:51:16 GMT
Maybe they should change the terminus for all the Harrow circular routes. Rather than having Harrow Bus station as the terminus, they could maybe do a Wealdstone to Wealdstone service for H9/10 and a Harrow Weald to Harrow Weald service for H18/19. That should clear up some stand space at Harrow This is such an obvious solution for the lack of stand space at Harrow. However it would mean a halving of frequency in buses to Harrow town centre for passengers living around the middle of those two routes. Why would the frequency be halved? It can still run at it’s existing frequency
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Post by busman on May 30, 2019 13:26:19 GMT
Let’s take the H9/H10 for example. At present all buses in both directions reach Harrow bus station. If you curtailed buses at Harrow & Wealdstone, what would be the impact on passengers at the mid point- around Rayners Lane/North Harrow Stn depending on the time of day? At present passengers have a choice of the H9 or H10, roughly taking the same amount of time to reach Harrow. With a Harrow & Wealdstone terminus, the H10 would pass through Rayners Lane/North Harrow Stn and stop short of Harrow - having already served Harrow earlier. Thus the current frequency of buses to Harrow (H9 and H10) would be halved for those passengers.. For passengers closer to Harrow, e.g. Kenton there would be minimal impact in changing the terminus, as taking an H9 to Harrow isn’t really an option...unless they do it by mistake 😉
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Post by rif153 on May 30, 2019 15:51:56 GMT
I wonder if the E10 will be receiving those 60 capacity single deckers from later date because I can’t understand why the E10 is receiving 9.0m Enviro 200 MMCs from when it goes to Abellio in June 2019 after TfL says it going to receive 60 capacity single deckers. Will the 9.0m be replaced by 60 capacity single deckers at later date? I think I read on another thread that there is a tight turn which longer MMCs wouldn't be able to do hence why 9m MMCs were ordered. Still, it makes a mockery of TFL pledging to order 60 capacity single deckers for a rough which could do with longer buses especially when extended to Osterley
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2019 18:23:19 GMT
I wonder if the E10 will be receiving those 60 capacity single deckers from later date because I can’t understand why the E10 is receiving 9.0m Enviro 200 MMCs from when it goes to Abellio in June 2019 after TfL says it going to receive 60 capacity single deckers. Will the 9.0m be replaced by 60 capacity single deckers at later date? I think I read on another thread that there is a tight turn which longer MMCs wouldn't be able to do hence why 9m MMCs were ordered. Still, it makes a mockery of TFL pledging to order 60 capacity single deckers for a rough which could do with longer buses especially when extended to Osterley There are a few tight sections on the route (ironically, I re-done it today so it's a bit more fresh in my mind). This isn't 100% confirmed but just a rough guide - The Islip Manor section seems fine enough for longer buses, Belvue Road could be problematic at the bend, Horsehoe Crescent was a struggle today in a 8.9m bus, Ferrymead Avenue has possible tight sections particularly where it meets other roads & Ferrymead Gardens dual carriageway section towards Northolt could be tricky by Goring Way - the rest of the route should be ok.
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Post by COBO on May 30, 2019 18:36:16 GMT
I think I read on another thread that there is a tight turn which longer MMCs wouldn't be able to do hence why 9m MMCs were ordered. Still, it makes a mockery of TFL pledging to order 60 capacity single deckers for a rough which could do with longer buses especially when extended to Osterley There are a few tight sections on the route (ironically, I re-done it today so it's a bit more fresh in my mind). This isn't 100% confirmed but just a rough guide - The Islip Manor section seems fine enough for longer buses, Belvue Road could be problematic at the bend, Horsehoe Crescent was a struggle today in a 8.9m bus, Ferrymead Avenue has possible tight sections particularly where it meets other roads & Ferrymead Gardens dual carriageway section towards Northolt could be tricky by Goring Way - the rest of the route should be ok. I seen a SEL and a DP down Belvue Road. But as you say it is tight.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 3, 2019 9:41:03 GMT
I wonder where the 391 will stand in Hammersmith when these changes happen. I was in Hammersmith on Saturday and the upper bus station looks tight for standing space with 9, 23, 211, 267 and H91 all terminating there.
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