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Post by E279 on Dec 8, 2019 1:56:29 GMT
So to sum up the new allocations and please correct me as I'm trying to work this out: 218 - DML44182-DML44185, DML44187-DML44188, WV46101, WV46104-WV46105, WV46107 = PVR of 11 + 1 spare (missing 2 vehicles) 266 - ADE40421-ADE40424, ADE40431, ADE40433, ADE40438-ADE40444, ADH45039-ADH45042, ADH45044, ADH45046-ADH45048 = PVR of 23 + 2/3 spares (missing 4/5 vehicles) 278 - 2006-2012 = PVR of 10 + 1 spare (missing 4 vehicles) 306 - VH45158-VH45163, VH45184-VH45186, VH45315-VH45317 - PVR of 11 + 1 spare X140 - VWH2233-VWH2243 - PVR of 10 + 1 spare 306 = VH45156 - VH45163 & VH45184 - VH45186 + VH45315. VH45316/7 = Covering - Busdryer said. 266- ADE40421-ADE40424, ADE40431, ADE40433, ADE40438-ADE40444, ADH45039-ADH45042, ADH45044, ADH45046-ADH45048 Missing: ADH45043, ADH45045, ADE40437, ADE40445 19 reg = Coverin. The route is given 2 spares as wel.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2019 3:25:53 GMT
So to sum up the new allocations and please correct me as I'm trying to work this out: 218 - DML44182-DML44185, DML44187-DML44188, WV46101, WV46104-WV46105, WV46107 = PVR of 11 + 1 spare (missing 2 vehicles) 266 - ADE40421-ADE40424, ADE40431, ADE40433, ADE40438-ADE40444, ADH45039-ADH45042, ADH45044, ADH45046-ADH45048 = PVR of 23 + 2/3 spares (missing 4/5 vehicles) 278 - 2006-2012 = PVR of 10 + 1 spare (missing 4 vehicles) 306 - VH45158-VH45163, VH45184-VH45186, VH45315-VH45317 - PVR of 11 + 1 spare X140 - VWH2233-VWH2243 - PVR of 10 + 1 spare 306 = VH45156 - VH45163 & VH45184 - VH45186 + VH45315. VH45316/7 = Covering - Busdryer said. 266- ADE40421-ADE40424, ADE40431, ADE40433, ADE40438-ADE40444, ADH45039-ADH45042, ADH45044, ADH45046-ADH45048 Missing: ADH45043, ADH45045, ADE40437, ADE40445 19 reg = Coverin. The route is given 2 spares as wel. Many thanks for that
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Post by aaron1 on Dec 8, 2019 11:14:49 GMT
I did the 440 extension yesterday is was a nice trip because but it got people confused because it new but make more new links
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Post by LBOTG on Dec 8, 2019 13:29:26 GMT
According to a Tower Transit employee the 218 failed a DD route test on one section of the route which is why it has single deckers. Take it with a pinch of salt but if any reasons made sense this is one. No it doesn’t make any sense why does the 218 have to go via West Acton using single deckers. Why couldn’t the 218 have gone down Horn Lane using double deckers and left the 440 alone. The planning for 218 was very poor. Replacing a double deck route that runs every 8 mins with a single deck route that runs every 10 minutes. TfL are idiots. It's a tricky one, because by sending the 440 that way the fast and direct Acton to Wembley link would be undermined and less popular. TfL clearly decided to prioritise journey opportunities over comfort, hence we'll be having rammed 218s and probably 440s in the future.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 8, 2019 13:37:35 GMT
No it doesn’t make any sense why does the 218 have to go via West Acton using single deckers. Why couldn’t the 218 have gone down Horn Lane using double deckers and left the 440 alone. The planning for 218 was very poor. Replacing a double deck route that runs every 8 mins with a single deck route that runs every 10 minutes. TfL are idiots. It's a tricky one, because by sending the 440 that way the fast and direct Acton to Wembley link would be undermined and less popular. TfL clearly decided to prioritise journey opportunities over comfort, hence we'll be having rammed 218s and probably 440s in the future. I think the 218 going up Horn Lane with double deckers would've been a better candidate for a Wembley extension, it would have also linked Hammersmith to Wembley. At the expense of the 218 to Wembley, I'd cut the 440 back to Central Middlesex Hospital.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 8, 2019 14:34:18 GMT
So to sum up the new allocations and please correct me as I'm trying to work this out: 218 - DML44182-DML44185, DML44187-DML44188, WV46101, WV46104-WV46105, WV46107 = PVR of 11 + 1 spare (missing 2 vehicles) 266 - ADE40421-ADE40424, ADE40431, ADE40433, ADE40438-ADE40444, ADH45039-ADH45042, ADH45044, ADH45046-ADH45048 = PVR of 23 + 2/3 spares (missing 4/5 vehicles) 278 - 2006-2012 = PVR of 10 + 1 spare (missing 4 vehicles) 306 - VH45158-VH45163, VH45184-VH45186, VH45315-VH45317 - PVR of 11 + 1 spare X140 - VWH2233-VWH2243 - PVR of 10 + 1 spare 306 = VH45156 - VH45163 & VH45184 - VH45186 + VH45315. VH45316/7 = Covering - Busdryer said. 266- ADE40421-ADE40424, ADE40431, ADE40433, ADE40438-ADE40444, ADH45039-ADH45042, ADH45044, ADH45046-ADH45048 Missing: ADH45043, ADH45045, ADE40437, ADE40445 19 reg = Coverin. The route is given 2 spares as wel. Now just the one ADH missing as 45043 has turned up on the 266 today
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 16:04:50 GMT
306 = VH45156 - VH45163 & VH45184 - VH45186 + VH45315. VH45316/7 = Covering - Busdryer said. 266- ADE40421-ADE40424, ADE40431, ADE40433, ADE40438-ADE40444, ADH45039-ADH45042, ADH45044, ADH45046-ADH45048 Missing: ADH45043, ADH45045, ADE40437, ADE40445 19 reg = Coverin. The route is given 2 spares as wel. Now just the one ADH missing as 45043 has turned up on the 266 today Yes caught that one today ! My thoughts from today. Early morning passengers southbound on the 266 mostly wanted to go to Hammersmith. Not sure how well the connections pan out at North Acton for the 218 early am. I noticed the 220 was busier from Willesdon Junction. So maybe people they have worked out that's a better option than catching the 266 and changing to a 218 to reach Hammersmith. I thought the 266 and N266 were running very well indeed. Given first two days and roadworks in Cricklewood. The ex Metroline drivers seem happy to be at RP. Indeed I think RATP have reached a tipping point in the Harlesdon area now being the main provider, it makes WJ look tiny. Cant see how Metroline will bounce back in that area now. Back to routes. 440 in Wembley a bit confusing. A good connection and I think this will get quite busy now. Amused at the advert for the 224 at Park Royal asda which proclaims a bus every 18 mins to Wembley still. The 224 i predict will need a frequency increase since the big new development at Grand Union ( Stonebridge Park) is ready. It's a nice direct route to Alperton Station which i think will prove more popular than Stonebridge Park Station. The 278 I caught was not very busy at all. Again time will tell with that one. Surprised TfL didn't consider double decking the H98 as it's so busy. Nice to ride along roads previously just served by school routes. Wasnt impressed with the vehicles though. 2009 sounded rough and its suspension was rubbish.. 306 only caught one..cant help but think this was a waste of double decks and its terminus in Acton is frankly pointless. It needs to reach Acton Town Centre. Overall, the negatives outweigh positives. I know cross rail isn't running yet, so I hope when it does the 306 will reach Acton Mainline. It could terminate at Willesdon Junction..not many 220's actually use the stand there due to garage runs for change overs. Too many links broken , but the 266 will be more reliable for the most part. As for the 391 into Richmond, a pity this has been reduced. Not sure what could be done to raise its usefulness now. It has become like the 190.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2019 16:10:17 GMT
Now just the one ADH missing as 45043 has turned up on the 266 today Yes caught that one today ! My thoughts from today. Early morning passengers southbound on the 266 mostly wanted to go to Hammersmith. Not sure how well the connections pan out at North Acton for the 218 early am. I noticed the 220 was busier from Willesdon Junction. So maybe people they have worked out that's a better option than catching the 266 and changing to a 218 to reach Hammersmith. I thought the 266 and N266 were running very well indeed. Given first two days and roadworks in Cricklewood. The ex Metroline drivers seem happy to be at RP. Indeed I think RATP have reached a tipping point in the Harlesdon area now being the main provider, it makes WJ look tiny. Cant see how Metroline will bounce back in that area now. Back to routes. 440 in Wembley a bit confusing. A good connection and I think this will get quite busy now. Amused at the advert for the 224 at Park Royal asda which proclaims a bus every 18 mins to Wembley still. The 224 i predict will need a frequency increase since the big new development at Grand Union ( Stonebridge Park) is ready. It's a nice direct route to Alperton Station which i think will prove more popular than Stonebridge Park Station. The 278 I caught was not very busy at all. Again time will tell with that one. Surprised TfL didn't consider double decking the H98 as it's so busy. Nice to ride along roads previously just served by school routes. Wasnt impressed with the vehicles though. 2009 sounded rough and its suspension was rubbish.. 306 only caught one..cant help but think this was a waste of double decks and its terminus in Acton is frankly pointless. It needs to reach Acton Town Centre. Overall, the negatives outweigh positives. I know cross rail isn't running yet, so I hope when it does the 306 will reach Acton Mainline. It could terminate at Willesdon Junction..not many 220's actually use the stand there due to garage runs for change overs. Too many links broken , but the 266 will be more reliable for the most part. As for the 391 into Richmond, a pity this has been reduced. Not sure what could be done to raise its usefulness now. It has become like the 190. Although I didn't go into West London, I too was surprised to learn the 440 has a different terminus to the 224 as I'd of assumed it would just stand where the 224 did next to Wembley Stadium Station whereas the 440 runs down Engineers Way and then terminates on the one way system with roads named after numbers.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 8, 2019 16:31:10 GMT
Now just the one ADH missing as 45043 has turned up on the 266 today Cant see how Metroline will bounce back in that area now. Wait 5 years and everything could be back the other way again. With tenders its swings and roundabouts - Has happened many times before - especially in competitive areas with many different garages around. RATP are just lucky to have RP in such a good location for routes such as the 18, 266 etc that they've nabbed off Metroline.
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Post by george on Dec 8, 2019 16:34:51 GMT
Looks like 391 is using the H91 stand not quite so how there is enough room for the 391 there. What’s the H91s using? 391 is standing in the lower bus station
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Post by snowman on Dec 8, 2019 18:40:45 GMT
Cant see how Metroline will bounce back in that area now. Wait 5 years and everything could be back the other way again. With tenders its swings and roundabouts - Has happened many times before - especially in competitive areas with many different garages around. RATP are just lucky to have RP in such a good location for routes such as the 18, 266 etc that they've nabbed off Metroline. If you look carefully at fleet age profiles, you will spot these peaks and troughs. Metroline have introduced relatively few buses during 2019, and have a bit of a bulge of 8-9 year old buses RATP got loads new new double decks 2009-10, then virtually none for 15months, then bought batches in 2012 Obviously this means they have lots of buses which won’t be available for existing bus bids in 1-3 years time.
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Post by COBO on Dec 8, 2019 18:55:01 GMT
It's a tricky one, because by sending the 440 that way the fast and direct Acton to Wembley link would be undermined and less popular. TfL clearly decided to prioritise journey opportunities over comfort, hence we'll be having rammed 218s and probably 440s in the future. I think the 218 going up Horn Lane with double deckers would've been a better candidate for a Wembley extension, it would have also linked Hammersmith to Wembley. At the expense of the 218 to Wembley, I'd cut the 440 back to Central Middlesex Hospital. Agreed. 391 is standing in the lower bus station Make sense I suppose because the Upper Bus Station is full. They should move a route from the Upper Bus Station to the Lower Bus Station like the 267 or H91 and then move the 27 to the Upper Bus Station.
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Post by george on Dec 8, 2019 19:05:35 GMT
I think the 218 going up Horn Lane with double deckers would've been a better candidate for a Wembley extension, it would have also linked Hammersmith to Wembley. At the expense of the 218 to Wembley, I'd cut the 440 back to Central Middlesex Hospital. Agreed. 391 is standing in the lower bus station Make sense I suppose because the Upper Bus Station is full. They should move a route from the Upper Bus Station to the Lower Bus Station like the 267 or H91 and then move the 27 to the Upper Bus Station. Went on the 218 earlier only a very short trip from Acton old town to First Avenue bus was packed, 306 on the other hand was pretty much empty obviously far to early to really talk about loadings on the route but just an early observation. Previously suggested the idea of the 27 terminating at the low bus station but someone said it wouldn't work as you would still need king street for a common stop to change for routes down Chiswick High Road, not sure what the problem was with changing at Hammersmith bus station but anyhow. Before Hammersmith Bridge closure and the changes with all the routes I'm sure TfL would have decided to terminate the route at the bus station rather than Hammersmith Grove but obviously at the time there was no space.
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Post by COBO on Dec 8, 2019 19:10:55 GMT
Agreed. Make sense I suppose because the Upper Bus Station is full. They should move a route from the Upper Bus Station to the Lower Bus Station like the 267 or H91 and then move the 27 to the Upper Bus Station. Went on the 306 earlier only a very short trip from Acton old town to First Avenue bus was packed, 306 on the other hand was pretty much empty obviously far to early to really talk about loadings on the route but just an early observation. Previously suggested the idea of the 27 terminating at the low bus station but someone said it wouldn't work as you would still need king street for a common stop to change for routes down Chiswick High Road, not sure what the problem was with changing at Hammersmith bus station but anyhow. Before Hammersmith Bridge closure and the changes with all the routes I'm sure TfL would have decided to terminate the route at the bus station rather than Hammersmith Grove but obviously at the time there was no space. I don’t know why they couldn’t change at Hammersmith Bus Station either.
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Post by george on Dec 8, 2019 19:35:58 GMT
Went on the 306 earlier only a very short trip from Acton old town to First Avenue bus was packed, 306 on the other hand was pretty much empty obviously far to early to really talk about loadings on the route but just an early observation. Previously suggested the idea of the 27 terminating at the low bus station but someone said it wouldn't work as you would still need king street for a common stop to change for routes down Chiswick High Road, not sure what the problem was with changing at Hammersmith bus station but anyhow. Before Hammersmith Bridge closure and the changes with all the routes I'm sure TfL would have decided to terminate the route at the bus station rather than Hammersmith Grove but obviously at the time there was no space. I don’t know why they couldn’t change at Hammersmith Bus Station either. In theory all King Street routes terminating at Hammersmith could terminate at the Lower bus station. H91 can use old 209 stand 267 can use old 419 stand 391 could probably share the same stand as the 533 normally only one 533 ever on the stand at one given point. 283 and 218 can stand where they currently do. Although having the 190 still using the upper bus station when all the others are using the lower bus station seems a bit silly. Edit. The 283 could take the H91 stand in the upper bus station it would save it going around the one way system for it's return journey.
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