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Post by busoccultation on Jul 30, 2017 21:34:25 GMT
I don't like the 112 proposal at all, that change will lead it to more traffic along the A4 and reduce reliability throughout on an already congested corridor As route E1 is such a short route, this would have been better for the Ealing - Osterley extension instead of route 112. 100% argee with E1 extending to Osterley over the 112 and also I suggested this idea to TFL when I filled the consultation.
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Post by Hassaan on Jul 30, 2017 21:34:57 GMT
Was thinking of finally filling in the consultation, but I still have a conflict of interest with the 427 proposals. I'm sure that the 427 capacity would still be required east of Southall. But the around-the-corner link from The Broadway towards South Road would be quite popular, even more so if instead of terminating at Merrick Road it was extended to Norwood Green (Tentelow Lane) using the full length of Merrick Road.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 30, 2017 21:36:26 GMT
As route E1 is such a short route, this would have been better for the Ealing - Osterley extension instead of route 112. 100% argee with E1 extending to Osterley over the 112 and also I suggested this idea to TFL when I filled the consultation. Well done for that. More of us need to fill in these consultations. Even if I say this myself, I feel slightly more in tune with the area, because I went to Ealing yesterday!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 30, 2017 21:37:15 GMT
As route E1 is such a short route, this would have been better for the Ealing - Osterley extension instead of route 112. 100% argee with E1 extending to Osterley over the 112 and also I suggested this idea to TFL when I filled the consultation. Just about any route that terminates at Ealing is a better choice lol but for me, the top two candidates are the E1 & E9.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 30, 2017 22:56:15 GMT
I have just looked at your profile Hassaan. I noticed that your birthday is October 29th. I only visit outer London areas once every few years to ride mainly just bus changes since my previous visits. Anyway, my previous visit to Ealing before yesterday was (in 2011) on October 29th!
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Post by snoggle on Jul 30, 2017 22:59:35 GMT
As route E1 is such a short route, this would have been better for the Ealing - Osterley extension instead of route 112. 100% argee with E1 extending to Osterley over the 112 and also I suggested this idea to TFL when I filled the consultation. Some local South Ealing people were tweeting how marvellous the 112 extension would be. I therefore said it would be horribly unreliable because of the A406. I said "wouldn't extending the E1 be much better"? They seemed to like that idea. Little bit of guerilla propaganda battling there.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 31, 2017 1:20:54 GMT
100% argee with E1 extending to Osterley over the 112 and also I suggested this idea to TFL when I filled the consultation. Some local South Ealing people were tweeting how marvellous the 112 extension would be. I therefore said it would be horribly unreliable because of the A406. I said "wouldn't extending the E1 be much better"? They seemed to like that idea. Little bit of guerilla propaganda battling there. But no mention of the E9 - naughty, naughty
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Post by LBOTG on Jul 31, 2017 8:21:06 GMT
Some local South Ealing people were tweeting how marvellous the 112 extension would be. I therefore said it would be horribly unreliable because of the A406. I said "wouldn't extending the E1 be much better"? They seemed to like that idea. Little bit of guerilla propaganda battling there. But no mention of the E9 - naughty, naughty Personally, I think an extension of the E9 would work better because it gives South Ealing a direct link to Pitshanger, which would be very popular, in addition to Greenford and beyond and it's currently not too long and therefore reliability shouldn't be compromised. The problem with the E1 is that loadings at Ealing Broadway Station in the evening peak are so heavy sometimes, that having a bus arrive which is already fairly well-loaded with cross-Ealing commuters wouldn't end well... I've never thought that the E9 deserved deckers myself, so maybe an extension of this route would justify them at last
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 9:13:53 GMT
X140 frequency doesn't seem to take into account that Sunday mornings the loading to Heathrow is exactly the same as on all other days of the week. Heathrow has its own rush hours coinciding with shift workers , 4.30am-7am , 1pm-2.30pm, 9pm-11pm...
So for two of these periods ( all of them on Sundays ) the frequency is lower. These buses will be very busy by the time they reach Hayes Grapes at a 15 min interval.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 31, 2017 16:21:18 GMT
X140 frequency doesn't seem to take into account that Sunday mornings the loading to Heathrow is exactly the same as on all other days of the week. Heathrow has its own rush hours coinciding with shift workers , 4.30am-7am , 1pm-2.30pm, 9pm-11pm... So for two of these periods ( all of them on Sundays ) the frequency is lower. These buses will be very busy by the time they reach Hayes Grapes at a 15 min interval. I was too quick to respond that TfL has the data, and know how much carnage they are carrying out. But the Heathrow Free Pass Zone may skew the raw data collected (mind you Oyster data on buses is not that detailed either). I think now is the time for someone to explain how the Heathrow Zone works......please?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 31, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
X140 frequency doesn't seem to take into account that Sunday mornings the loading to Heathrow is exactly the same as on all other days of the week. Heathrow has its own rush hours coinciding with shift workers , 4.30am-7am , 1pm-2.30pm, 9pm-11pm... So for two of these periods ( all of them on Sundays ) the frequency is lower. These buses will be very busy by the time they reach Hayes Grapes at a 15 min interval. I was too quick to respond that TfL has the data, and know how much carnage they are carrying out. But the Heathrow Free Pass Zone may skew the raw data collected (mind you Oyster data on buses is not that detailed either). I think now is the time for someone to explain how the Heathrow Zone works......please? From my understanding, there's a set zone within the airport and surrounding roads in which you can use buses to travel for free, as well as the trains. For buses you just get on and tell the driver what stop you are travelling to in the free flow zone, you don't need to tap on. On the Heathrow Connect and Express, you just walk onto trains as there are no barriers as long as you stay within the airport stations. On the Piccadilly Line you'll need an Oyster, and you might need to change at Hatton Cross for Terminal 4 services, however when you tap out you won't be charged.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jul 31, 2017 20:27:09 GMT
I would avoid Hatton Cross Piccadilly line station - still charged me £1.20 quid for travelling to Terminals 123! I think tube-wise, only actual Terminal stations count as free
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 31, 2017 20:53:00 GMT
I would avoid Hatton Cross Piccadilly line station - still charged me £1.20 quid for travelling to Terminals 123! I think tube-wise, only actual Terminal stations count as free You're not allowed to physically leave at Hatton Cross Station, you can only pass through there.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 1, 2017 10:48:12 GMT
I was too quick to respond that TfL has the data, and know how much carnage they are carrying out. But the Heathrow Free Pass Zone may skew the raw data collected (mind you Oyster data on buses is not that detailed either). I think now is the time for someone to explain how the Heathrow Zone works......please? From my understanding, there's a set zone within the airport and surrounding roads in which you can use buses to travel for free, as well as the trains. For buses you just get on and tell the driver what stop you are travelling to in the free flow zone, you don't need to tap on. On the Heathrow Connect and Express, you just walk onto trains as there are no barriers as long as you stay within the airport stations. On the Piccadilly Line you'll need an Oyster, and you might need to change at Hatton Cross for Terminal 4 services, however when you tap out you won't be charged. Thanks for the clarification. I will make the point that the system is not only open to abuse, but is very rigid if the driver is inundated with shift workers who may/will want to get a free ride home. Observed it myself doing an end-to-end on the 105 last year; a Heathrow worker grabbed the front row of seats I wanted and they were only vacant when he departed on Somerset Road. Watched him flaunt his work lanyard to get on for free and swiftly remove it afterwards when upstairs. Maybe TfL want to nip in the bud the idea of workers copping a free ride all the way to Harrow?
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Post by sid on Aug 1, 2017 14:47:31 GMT
From my understanding, there's a set zone within the airport and surrounding roads in which you can use buses to travel for free, as well as the trains. For buses you just get on and tell the driver what stop you are travelling to in the free flow zone, you don't need to tap on. On the Heathrow Connect and Express, you just walk onto trains as there are no barriers as long as you stay within the airport stations. On the Piccadilly Line you'll need an Oyster, and you might need to change at Hatton Cross for Terminal 4 services, however when you tap out you won't be charged. Thanks for the clarification. I will make the point that the system is not only open to abuse, but is very rigid if the driver is inundated with shift workers who may/will want to get a free ride home. Observed it myself doing an end-to-end on the 105 last year; a Heathrow worker grabbed the front row of seats I wanted and they were only vacant when he departed on Somerset Road. Watched him flaunt his work lanyard to get on for free and swiftly remove it afterwards when upstairs. Maybe TfL want to nip in the bud the idea of workers copping a free ride all the way to Harrow? I've seen the same on the 140, people boarding and just walking straight past the driver and going well beyond the free travel zone.
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