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Post by busman on Oct 6, 2018 12:54:11 GMT
If the 301 goes ahead, that implies that the changes to the 129, 180 and 472 will go ahead as they are all interlinked. Unless TfL are not intending to change the frequency of the 472 for now which I strongly doubt. I’m still not sure where exactly in Abbey Wood the 472 is supposed to be standing though. Harrow Manorway looks an absolute mess with no obvious stand space. Overall now the entire crossrail package being put back another few months, now been confirmed. The actual start dates have not been confirmed. Appreciate the update 🤜
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Post by busman on Oct 6, 2018 13:29:18 GMT
Overall now the entire crossrail package being put back another few months, now been confirmed. The actual start dates have not been confirmed. Greenwich Council are currently modifying the road layout at the Arsenal end of Woolwich New Road. This will mean the 161 will have adopt the proposed route change. The operators are putting the vehicles in place for December. TUPE consultations must be ongoing for the drivers. The response report states decking of the 244 may happen in future. The 291 needs the extra capacity. Not so sure about the 178 at the Woolwich end but the housing development at Kidbrooke justifies it. I was thinking that the 161 change might have no choice but to go ahead. The new road layout is nearly finished and that change is not really related to Crossrail at all. I’m guessing that the 386 will have to be routed via Vincent Road which may actually result in an additional stops on Vincent Road and Burrage Road. Any GAL folks have any news on that?
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Post by cl54 on Oct 6, 2018 17:17:34 GMT
Greenwich Council are currently modifying the road layout at the Arsenal end of Woolwich New Road. This will mean the 161 will have adopt the proposed route change. The operators are putting the vehicles in place for December. TUPE consultations must be ongoing for the drivers. The response report states decking of the 244 may happen in future. The 291 needs the extra capacity. Not so sure about the 178 at the Woolwich end but the housing development at Kidbrooke justifies it. I was thinking that the 161 change might have no choice but to go ahead. The new road layout is nearly finished and that change is not really related to Crossrail at all. I’m guessing that the 386 will have to be routed via Vincent Road which may actually result in an additional stops on Vincent Road and Burrage Road. Any GAL folks have any news on that? Can't stop in Vincent Road as the 386 in the opposite direction stops there. Will add around 3 or 4 minutes to the running time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 17:42:21 GMT
Greenwich Council are currently modifying the road layout at the Arsenal end of Woolwich New Road. This will mean the 161 will have adopt the proposed route change. The operators are putting the vehicles in place for December. TUPE consultations must be ongoing for the drivers. The response report states decking of the 244 may happen in future. The 291 needs the extra capacity. Not so sure about the 178 at the Woolwich end but the housing development at Kidbrooke justifies it. I was thinking that the 161 change might have no choice but to go ahead. The new road layout is nearly finished and that change is not really related to Crossrail at all. I’m guessing that the 386 will have to be routed via Vincent Road which may actually result in an additional stops on Vincent Road and Burrage Road. Any GAL folks have any news on that? Re 386 it's currently using the Vincent Road diversion as per all the other routes (including the 161) while Greenwich Council do the upgrade works. It will most likely continue to run via Vincent Road to the stand with no extra stops.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 17:44:38 GMT
I was thinking that the 161 change might have no choice but to go ahead. The new road layout is nearly finished and that change is not really related to Crossrail at all. I’m guessing that the 386 will have to be routed via Vincent Road which may actually result in an additional stops on Vincent Road and Burrage Road. Any GAL folks have any news on that? Can't stop in Vincent Road as the 386 in the opposite direction stops there. Will add around 3 or 4 minutes to the running time. They give 3 minutes to get to the stand from Woolwich at the moment. Shouldn't need more than 4 minutes to do the full run as they give too much time already. The route will be rescheduled in December anyway with the remote sign on at Woolwich.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 17:46:54 GMT
Overall now the entire crossrail package being put back another few months, now been confirmed. The actual start dates have not been confirmed. Greenwich Council are currently modifying the road layout at the Arsenal end of Woolwich New Road. This will mean the 161 will have adopt the proposed route change. The operators are putting the vehicles in place for December. TUPE consultations must be ongoing for the drivers. The response report states decking of the 244 may happen in future. The 291 needs the extra capacity. Not so sure about the 178 at the Woolwich end but the housing development at Kidbrooke justifies it. 178 and 291 changing hands on the 8th of December and coming to MG. A lot of drivers have already put their name down to do the 178. The 180 & 244 will not move garages until the changes happen next year. Also the 161 is currently using the Vincent Road diversion. If it was being rerouted before the Crossrail changes took place it most likely would have been done as soon as the works started. I have not seen any negative impact on its reliability since the diversion started so I imagine it will stay going via Vincent Road for the time being. What's your job at TfL if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 6, 2018 18:27:56 GMT
Could stand in Vincent Road quote author="@mhv85" source="/post/458915/thread" timestamp="1538847878"] Can't stop in Vincent Road as the 386 in the opposite direction stops there. Will add around 3 or 4 minutes to the running time. They give 3 minutes to get to the stand from Woolwich at the moment. Shouldn't need more than 4 minutes to do the full run as they give too much time already. The route will be rescheduled in December anyway with the remote sign on at Woolwich.[/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 18:29:48 GMT
Could stand in Vincent Road Can't stop in Vincent Road as the 386 in the opposite direction stops there. Will add around 3 or 4 minutes to the running time. They give 3 minutes to get to the stand from Woolwich at the moment. Shouldn't need more than 4 minutes to do the full run as they give too much time already. The route will be rescheduled in December anyway with the remote sign on at Woolwich. Would still need to go all the way round though to serve Woolwich Arsenal Stn and Sainsbury's
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 6, 2018 18:43:43 GMT
No just pick up line of route uote author="@mhv85" source="/post/458932/thread" timestamp="1538850588"] Could stand in Vincent Road Would still need to go all the way round though to serve Woolwich Arsenal Stn and Sainsbury's[/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 18:46:29 GMT
No just pick up line of route Could stand in Vincent Road Would still need to go all the way round though to serve Woolwich Arsenal Stn and Sainsbury's Then it would miss out Calderwood Street and it can't stand at the bus stop on Vincent Road, would have to be further down as having driven that diversion on the 180 there is not enough overtaking space because of the parked cars on the other side so would need to change parking restrictions.
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Post by beaver14uk on Oct 6, 2018 19:07:20 GMT
There was a bus stop further down from when all buses used Vincent Road, in fact I used to drive the 180 that route. Agree parking would need to be looked at. Not really an issue the section of route being missed out uote author="@mhv85" source="/post/458947/thread" timestamp="1538851589"] No just pick up line of route Then it would miss out Calderwood Street and it can't stand at the bus stop on Vincent Road, would have to be further down as having driven that diversion on the 180 there is not enough overtaking space because of the parked cars on the other side so would need to change parking restrictions.[/quote]
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Post by cl54 on Oct 6, 2018 19:32:40 GMT
There was a bus stop further down from when all buses used Vincent Road, in fact I used to drive the 180 that route. Agree parking would need to be looked at. Not really an issue the section of route being missed out uote author="@mhv85 " source="/post/458947/thread" timestamp="1538851589"] No just pick up line of route Then it would miss out Calderwood Street and it can't stand at the bus stop on Vincent Road, would have to be further down as having driven that diversion on the 180 there is not enough overtaking space because of the parked cars on the other side so would need to change parking restrictions. [/quote] There is no problem with current 386 stand. The queue of traffic at the Burrage Road traffic lights will delay the out of service buses reaching it. The current diversion is causing delays to the 161 at certain times of day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 19:34:54 GMT
There was a bus stop further down from when all buses used Vincent Road, in fact I used to drive the 180 that route. Agree parking would need to be looked at. Not really an issue the section of route being missed out Then it would miss out Calderwood Street and it can't stand at the bus stop on Vincent Road, would have to be further down as having driven that diversion on the 180 there is not enough overtaking space because of the parked cars on the other side so would need to change parking restrictions. There is no problem with current 386 stand. The queue of traffic at the Burrage Road traffic lights will delay the out of service buses reaching it. The current diversion is causing delays to the 161 at certain times of day. I don't know what queue of traffic you are referring to as pretty much every time I go through there on the 180 I get through the lights in 1 go! And that's with all the buses going that way!!!
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Post by cl54 on Oct 6, 2018 19:41:34 GMT
There is no problem with current 386 stand. The queue of traffic at the Burrage Road traffic lights will delay the out of service buses reaching it. The current diversion is causing delays to the 161 at certain times of day. I don't know what queue of traffic you are referring to as pretty much every time I go through there on the 180 I get through the lights in 1 go! And that's with all the buses going that way!!! Stuck on a 386 behind 3 buses trying to get out of Vincent Road around 6pm tonight. Cars blocking the mini roundabout. One of the buses was a 180. The lights at the end of Burrage Road are on a short phase which normally lets one bus or three/four cars get through.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 19:44:46 GMT
I don't know what queue of traffic you are referring to as pretty much every time I go through there on the 180 I get through the lights in 1 go! And that's with all the buses going that way!!! Stuck on a 386 behind 3 buses trying to get out of Vincent Road around 6pm tonight. Cars blocking the mini roundabout. One of the buses was a 180. The lights at the end of Burrage Road are on a short phase which normally lets one bus or three/four cars get through. Not on a short phase. Lets a lot of buses/cars through. Not sure if the phasings have been altered for the duration of the works though. Even when the traffic is queuing down Vincent Road, you still get through on the second lights. I think it will remain on the diversion, but if not it can always use the Monk Street stand.
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