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Post by busman on Feb 21, 2019 7:59:30 GMT
TfL did a presentation to Greenwich Council recently. The 472 changes will not happen until the Elizabeth line starts running. No mention of the 180 diversion. I think the 180 diversion is linked to the 472 change, as the 180 will make up (or partially make up) for lost capacity along the Plumstead Station/Woolwich/Hope & Anchor Lane/NOG corridor. Also stand space will be needed for the 180 and I’m not sure if North Greenwich has space for both the 180 and 472 at their current frequencies. The TfL presentation also raised the prospect of a new route from Kidbrooke to North Greenwich via Charlton. If that went ahead, it would potentially make up for the loss of the Charlton extras on the 472.
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Apr 18, 2019 17:23:53 GMT
It's been announced on the BBC that the opening of Crossrail will be 2 years late Wonder what happens now with the bus changes?
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Post by jordzjohn123 on Apr 18, 2019 17:40:55 GMT
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Post by rif153 on Apr 19, 2019 14:31:39 GMT
It's been announced on the BBC that the opening of Crossrail will be 2 years late Wonder what happens now with the bus changes? I’m sure they will still happen but there’ll be issues with TFL refraining from buying a whole fleet of new buses because of the changes. Abellio for instance won’t have any spare MMCs from the 427 cut to make an existing vehicles bid, obviously the 45 is being cut but that only releases 8 buses. It would be great if TFL were to review the changes, especially the East London ones which were by far and the worst and just planned to dump lots of buses on Custom House
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Post by snoggle on Apr 19, 2019 20:16:47 GMT
It's been announced on the BBC that the opening of Crossrail will be 2 years late Wonder what happens now with the bus changes? I’m sure they will still happen but there’ll be issues with TFL refraining from buying a whole fleet of new buses because of the changes. Abellio for instance won’t have any spare MMCs from the 427 cut to make an existing vehicles bid, obviously the 45 is being cut but that only releases 8 buses. It would be great if TFL were to review the changes, especially the East London ones which were by far and the worst and just planned to dump lots of buses on Custom House I agree they will still happen but obviously they will be much later than planned. I don't buy this "delayed until 2021" thing for Crossrail opening across Central London. I expect it will open next year late Spring / Summer. Having an overlap with the school holidays will mean a lower commuter loading and time to bed things down. Where routes are being restructured because of much enhanced "parallel" rail services or to feed interchanges then I think they won't occur till the planned rail services start. That has implications for the West London changes in particular. Even if TfL take over some GWR services this December there will NOT be a big step up in frequencies. That's why I don't see a lot of changes in Hayes or Southall late this year. I think the half baked Acton changes can happen any time given nothing new serves Acton Main Line station. Once Crossrail runs to Abbey Wood then that kicks in the Custom House and Woolwich / Abbey Wood changes. Anything reliant on housing development progress (part of the 180, H32) will only happen when the development is sufficiently occupied to justify the extension. Plenty of precedent with Barking Riverside to show how TfL approaches this sort of change. Obviously TfL have scaled back some changes like double decking the 256 or increasing the E10's frequency as part of a money saving exercise. I suspect we may see any money saving aspects of the changes introduced sooner rather than later like the E5/95 changes in Southall. Obviously mostly guess work on part.
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Post by route53 on Apr 24, 2019 19:24:57 GMT
Hi
This is my first ever post.
Can I just say that I find the 180 changes utterly bizarre, surely those from Erith will most likely head to Abbey Wood for CrossRail?
Couldn’t the 472 be extended to Erith instead? Since the 180 will pretty much duplicate it along certain stretches, I think the 129 extension is needed, that route appears has been acting like an all stops version of the old Dome express bus the M1, I would extend the 129 further than Lewisham to perhaps Forest Hill via Catford & Stanstead Road
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Post by rif153 on Apr 24, 2019 19:34:25 GMT
Hi This is my first ever post. Can I just say that I find the 180 changes utterly bizarre, surely those from Erith will most likely head to Abbey Wood for CrossRail? Couldn’t the 472 be extended to Erith instead? Since the 180 will pretty much duplicate it along certain stretches, I think the 129 extension is needed, that route appears has been acting like an all stops version of the old Dome express bus the M1, I would extend the 129 further than Lewisham to perhaps Forest Hill via Catford & Stanstead Road I agree with you on the 180 changes. I think TFL just used Crossrail as an excuse to shorten what is a very long route. The 180 veering off to North Greenwich has probably been done to soften the blow so TFL can make it seem like people are benefiting from the change by gaining new links, cutting the route back to Woolwich would be too controversial and unpopular. Also there'll be no common stop for 180 passengers to change onto another route covering the withdrawn section to go to Lewisham.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Apr 25, 2019 5:56:45 GMT
Londonbusroutes.net has now been updated showing route 301 as commencing operation June 2019! Anyone heard that from other sources?
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Post by rif153 on Apr 25, 2019 6:30:59 GMT
Hi This is my first ever post. Can I just say that I find the 180 changes utterly bizarre, surely those from Erith will most likely head to Abbey Wood for CrossRail? Couldn’t the 472 be extended to Erith instead? Since the 180 will pretty much duplicate it along certain stretches, I think the 129 extension is needed, that route appears has been acting like an all stops version of the old Dome express bus the M1, I would extend the 129 further than Lewisham to perhaps Forest Hill via Catford & Stanstead Road I agree with you on the 180 changes. I think TFL just used Crossrail as an excuse to shorten what is a very long route. The 180 veering off to North Greenwich has probably been done to soften the blow so TFL can make it seem like people are benefiting from the change by gaining new links, cutting the route back to Woolwich would be too controversial and unpopular. Also there'll be no common stop for 180 passengers to change onto another route covering the withdrawn section to go to Lewisham. I’m not often at North Greenwich Bus Station but for someone who is, what is stand space like? Seems like TFL are pushing a lot of pressure into the existing stand space at the bus station by adding in the 180 and 335
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Post by 15002 on Apr 25, 2019 6:31:34 GMT
Londonbusroutes.net has now been updated showing route 301 as commencing operation June 2019! Anyone heard that from other sources? DT 11 is the first person I heard from about this happening, specifically mentioning that it’s gonna start on the 15th of June.
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Post by route53 on Apr 25, 2019 7:15:49 GMT
I agree with you on the 180 changes. I think TFL just used Crossrail as an excuse to shorten what is a very long route. The 180 veering off to North Greenwich has probably been done to soften the blow so TFL can make it seem like people are benefiting from the change by gaining new links, cutting the route back to Woolwich would be too controversial and unpopular. Also there'll be no common stop for 180 passengers to change onto another route covering the withdrawn section to go to Lewisham. I’m not often at North Greenwich Bus Station but for someone who is, what is stand space like? Seems like TFL are pushing a lot of pressure into the existing stand space at the bus station by adding in the 180 and 335 It’s pretty crowded as it in my opinion. The new 335 is needed as it links Kidbrooke Village with North Greenwich, the 180 however should simply be cut back to Greenwich Cutty Sark, the 177 will be horrifically overcrowded
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Post by route53 on Apr 25, 2019 7:18:07 GMT
Hi This is my first ever post. Can I just say that I find the 180 changes utterly bizarre, surely those from Erith will most likely head to Abbey Wood for CrossRail? Couldn’t the 472 be extended to Erith instead? Since the 180 will pretty much duplicate it along certain stretches, I think the 129 extension is needed, that route appears has been acting like an all stops version of the old Dome express bus the M1, I would extend the 129 further than Lewisham to perhaps Forest Hill via Catford & Stanstead Road I agree with you on the 180 changes. I think TFL just used Crossrail as an excuse to shorten what is a very long route. The 180 veering off to North Greenwich has probably been done to soften the blow so TFL can make it seem like people are benefiting from the change by gaining new links, cutting the route back to Woolwich would be too controversial and unpopular. Also there'll be no common stop for 180 passengers to change onto another route covering the withdrawn section to go to Lewisham. This sounds right, The 180 is a very long route by today’s standards I’m surprised that the 122 hasn’t been chopped at Lewisham yet
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Post by cl54 on Apr 26, 2019 4:22:24 GMT
I’m not often at North Greenwich Bus Station but for someone who is, what is stand space like? Seems like TFL are pushing a lot of pressure into the existing stand space at the bus station by adding in the 180 and 335 It’s pretty crowded as it in my opinion. The new 335 is needed as it links Kidbrooke Village with North Greenwich, the 180 however should simply be cut back to Greenwich Cutty Sark, the 177 will be horrifically overcrowded They are going to remove the one way system at Greenwich Cutty Sark. The road where the buses currently stand will be pedestrianised. The 129 extension to Lewisham removes one route from the stand. Not sure what they'll do with the 286. The problem at North Greenwich is not just stand space. The number of pick up points is limited. 2 or 3 routes share each one. There is a proposal to move the bus station into one of the car park areas. Dependent on building development above the station.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 26, 2019 15:39:25 GMT
It’s pretty crowded as it in my opinion. The new 335 is needed as it links Kidbrooke Village with North Greenwich, the 180 however should simply be cut back to Greenwich Cutty Sark, the 177 will be horrifically overcrowded They are going to remove the one way system at Greenwich Cutty Sark. The road where the buses currently stand will be pedestrianised. The 129 extension to Lewisham removes one route from the stand. Not sure what they'll do with the 286. The problem at North Greenwich is not just stand space. The number of pick up points is limited. 2 or 3 routes share each one. There is a proposal to move the bus station into one of the car park areas. Dependent on building development above the station. Strategic allocation of bus stops to given routes at the bus station may become a nightmare. For example, Stop A is a common stop for the 161 and 472 for those trying to get from North Greenwich to Woolwich. This becomes problematic when you throw the 180 into the mix which I imagine will use Stop A and suddenly if buses are bunching at Stop A this could become a nightmare with the number of buses/people trying to get onto each route. The 335 will probably use Stop C which is currently used by only the 132 so hopefully adding a route to Stop C and a route to Stop A will make things easier.
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Post by beaver14uk on Apr 26, 2019 16:15:35 GMT
Route 132 picks up at stop D now. They are going to remove the one way system at Greenwich Cutty Sark. The road where the buses currently stand will be pedestrianised. The 129 extension to Lewisham removes one route from the stand. Not sure what they'll do with the 286. The problem at North Greenwich is not just stand space. The number of pick up points is limited. 2 or 3 routes share each one. There is a proposal to move the bus station into one of the car park areas. Dependent on building development above the station. Strategic allocation of bus stops to given routes at the bus station may become a nightmare. For example, Stop A is a common stop for the 161 and 472 for those trying to get from North Greenwich to Woolwich. This becomes problematic when you throw the 180 into the mix which I imagine will use Stop A and suddenly if buses are bunching at Stop A this could become a nightmare with the number of buses/people trying to get onto each route. The 335 will probably use Stop C which is currently used by only the 132 so hopefully adding a route to Stop C and a route to Stop A will make things easier.
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