Reports of Riots - Dalston

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Twitter is full of pictures  / videos of riots this evening in the Dalston and Hackney.

Have we not had enough already in 2017

[Nathan]

I saw about three police vans headed towards Hoxton from Shoreditch Police Station earlier. I wonder if it's related.

I also saw a board of cyclists travelling eastbound on Old Street around the same time too. Again, related maybe?

EDIT:

Rashan Charles death: Fireworks launched at police - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40756629

[vjaska]

Jul 28, 2017 22:06:31 GMT Nathan said:

I saw about three police vans headed towards Hoxton from Shoreditch Police Station earlier. I wonder if it's related.

I also saw a board of cyclists travelling eastbound on Old Street around the same time too. Again, related maybe?

EDIT:

Rashan Charles death: Fireworks launched at police - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40756629

Oh we hear we go again - all police will be branded racist because some bloke swallowed drugs whilst running from the police and died. I get Dalston & Forest Gate aren't the nicest places to look at but don't people know how to protest peacefully anymore rather than smash peoples areas to bit - I'm still dreadfully annoyed that many people got away with the shenanigans of the 2011 riots and that Mark Duggans family continue to make out he was all innocent If they wan't to know what racist police look like, watch documentaries about them from the 1960's-80's or just look at America - the police force over here is nothing like either case.

This Black Life Matters campaign should really be concentrating not on trying to tarnish the police's name but rather why young black people in particular seem to be killing other young black people?

[rhys]

Jul 29, 2017 1:04:24 GMT vjaska said:

Jul 28, 2017 22:06:31 GMT Nathan said:

I saw about three police vans headed towards Hoxton from Shoreditch Police Station earlier. I wonder if it's related.

I also saw a board of cyclists travelling eastbound on Old Street around the same time too. Again, related maybe?

EDIT:

Rashan Charles death: Fireworks launched at police - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40756629

This Black Life Matters campaign should really be concentrating not on trying to tarnish the police's name but rather why young black people in particular seem to be killing other young black people?

I think this last comment is a very ignorant I must say Luke. I do agree with a couple of your prior points regarding the incident, the lifestyle that drug dealer chose to live, and on how some things were handled. However, the purpose for Black Lives Matter is bring a movement that works towards validity of black life and the various social injustice that us black people may face in certain circumstances. Personally, I've never had to deal with many issues fellow black people may face on a day to day basis, as I would not fit into the typical stereotype of a young black person, but I am well aware of what the cause is for. Here is a quote from their website on the BLM movement. '#BlackLivesMatter is working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. We affirm our contributions to this society, our humanity, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression. We have put our sweat equity and love for Black people into creating a political project–taking the hashtag off of social media and into the streets. The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.'


Black Lives Matter is not dismissing the fact that many killings do happen amongst the black community, in fact there are many people who are doing a lot to try and prevent these things from happening within our community, however I would put this down to people being a product of their environment. I wouldn't label it as a race issue, which is how your comment has been perceived by me. This may come off as harsh, but where you have gone is that you have chosen to make such a bold statement on a subject which you seem to lack any form of knowledge and factual information on; instead, you have based your opinion off the behaviours of some who are not promoting the movement, but are using it as an excuse to cause trouble and riots. 

I do agree with you that rioting does not improve the situation, if anything it makes it far worse. However, I would strongly suggest you think twice prior to typing on such a sensitive topic, which you may not know much about. Your statements, said in just, based off assumptions, can really offend a few people on here. I generally see eye to eye with you on most things, but I'm rather disappointed at your conduct in this post.

[vjaska]

Jul 29, 2017 2:17:00 GMT rhys said:

Jul 29, 2017 1:04:24 GMT vjaska said:

This Black Life Matters campaign should really be concentrating not on trying to tarnish the police's name but rather why young black people in particular seem to be killing other young black people?

I think this last comment is a very ignorant I must say Luke. I do agree with a couple of your prior points regarding the incident, the lifestyle that drug dealer chose to live, and on how some things were handled. However, the purpose for Black Lives Matter is bring a movement that works towards validity of black life and the various social injustice that us black people may face in certain circumstances. Personally, I've never had to deal with many issues fellow black people may face on a day to day basis, as I would not fit into the typical stereotype of a young black person, but I am well aware of what the cause is for. Here is a quote from their website on the BLM movement. '#BlackLivesMatter is working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. We affirm our contributions to this society, our humanity, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression. We have put our sweat equity and love for Black people into creating a political project–taking the hashtag off of social media and into the streets. The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.'


Black Lives Matter is not dismissing the fact that many killings do happen amongst the black community, in fact there are many people who are doing a lot to try and prevent these things from happening within our community, however I would put this down to people being a product of their environment. I wouldn't label it as a race issue, which is how your comment has been perceived by me. This may come off as harsh, but where you have gone is that you have chosen to make such a bold statement on a subject which you seem to lack any form of knowledge and factual information on; instead, you have based your opinion off the behaviours of some who are not promoting the movement, but are using it as an excuse to cause trouble and riots. 

I do agree with you that rioting does not improve the situation, if anything it makes it far worse. However, I would strongly suggest you think twice prior to typing on such a sensitive topic, which you may not know much about. Your statements, said in just, based off assumptions, can really offend a few people on here. I generally see eye to eye with you on most things, but I'm rather disappointed at your conduct in this post.

Maybe you are right and if I've offended anyone, I apologise and I'll leave it at that

[Nathan]

Jul 29, 2017 2:17:00 GMT rhys said:

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I do have to say that Vjaska does raise a point. Black people ARE killing other black people, and its essentially not making us look good. That's the bottom line.

Now as a 'non-stereotypical' black male, I have to say that this BLM thing has been taken too far in some aspects which makes me wonder what the real purpose is now. For example, when a protest happened at Heathrow blocking the entrance to the airport I thought this was a pretty stupid idea. And why would I even think twice about wanting to associate myself with people who do this when it ultimately achieves nothing?

Now even though the Movement has good motives, we have to realise that the people who cause riots and other types of chaos are just giving us a bad name.

[rhys]

Jul 29, 2017 10:10:01 GMT Nathan said:

Jul 29, 2017 2:17:00 GMT rhys said:

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I do have to say that Vjaska does raise a point. Black people ARE killing other black people, and its essentially not making us look good. That's the bottom line.

Now as a 'non-stereotypical' black male, I have to say that this BLM thing has been taken too far in some aspects which makes me wonder what the real purpose is now. For example, when a protest happened at Heathrow blocking the entrance to the airport I thought this was a pretty stupid idea. And why would I even think twice about wanting to associate myself with people who do this when it ultimately achieves nothing?

Now even though the Movement has good motives, we have to realise that the people who cause riots and other types of chaos are just giving us a bad name.

As with other races, killings happen with their communities as well. I'm not dismissing the fact that does happen and the murder rate via knife crime, within the black community, is staggeringly high. But you have to focus on the actual purpose for the movement of BLM. It's kind of like having a charity for breast cancer, but being annoyed that it does not cover other forms of cancer such as prostate cancer etc...

I personally do not think Luke raised a valid point as BLM's main focus is not tailored towards stopping the killings within the community. Moreover, as I said before, it's down to everyone being a product of their environment.

Yes, I agree, the way the Heathrow situation was handled was absolutely terrible, however why are other organisations not subject to the same form of slandering when there are groups of people who constantly hold various protests and are causing mayhem across town?

Now, where my views on BLM, within the UK specifically, is I genuinely believe that stuff such as police brutality within the UK is no where near on the scale of how it is in the US. I personally think we have a very good policing system over here, if not one of the world's best. People sometimes use opportunities such as a death of a black man to trigger violent protests/riots, however those people are honestly just out there to look for trouble.

[ServerKing]

Jul 29, 2017 10:10:01 GMT Nathan said:

Jul 29, 2017 2:17:00 GMT rhys said:

...

I do have to say that Vjaska does raise a point. Black people ARE killing other black people, and its essentially not making us look good. That's the bottom line.

Now as a 'non-stereotypical' black male, I have to say that this BLM thing has been taken too far in some aspects which makes me wonder what the real purpose is now. For example, when a protest happened at Heathrow blocking the entrance to the airport I thought this was a pretty stupid idea. And why would I even think twice about wanting to associate myself with people who do this when it ultimately achieves nothing?

Now even though the Movement has good motives, we have to realise that the people who cause riots and other types of chaos are just giving us a bad name.

The Heathrow incident was NOT Black Lives Matter, but Middle Class students having a bit of fun at our expense... Note how all of them in the pictures are white Unless 'Civil Disobedience Outsourcing' has really taken off and we subbed out the Heathrow blockade work to white students from local Uni's, I think half the people who will come out with the "Black Lives Matter" tag or banner are mis-appropriating the real movement...

[ServerKing]

Jul 29, 2017 13:22:49 GMT rhys said:

Jul 29, 2017 10:10:01 GMT Nathan said:

I do have to say that Vjaska does raise a point. Black people ARE killing other black people, and its essentially not making us look good. That's the bottom line.

Now as a 'non-stereotypical' black male, I have to say that this BLM thing has been taken too far in some aspects which makes me wonder what the real purpose is now. For example, when a protest happened at Heathrow blocking the entrance to the airport I thought this was a pretty stupid idea. And why would I even think twice about wanting to associate myself with people who do this when it ultimately achieves nothing?

Now even though the Movement has good motives, we have to realise that the people who cause riots and other types of chaos are just giving us a bad name.

As with other races, killings happen with their communities as well. I'm not dismissing the fact that does happen and the murder rate via knife crime, within the black community, is staggeringly high. But you have to focus on the actual purpose for the movement of BLM. It's kind of like having a charity for breast cancer, but being annoyed that it does not cover other forms of cancer such as prostate cancer etc...

I personally do not think Luke raised a valid point as BLM's main focus is not tailored towards stopping the killings within the community. Moreover, as I said before, it's down to everyone being a product of their environment.

Yes, I agree, the way the Heathrow situation was handled was absolutely terrible, however why are other organisations not subject to the same form of slandering when there are groups of people who constantly hold various protests and are causing mayhem across town?

Now, where my views on BLM, within the UK specifically, is I genuinely believe that stuff such as police brutality within the UK is no where near on the scale of how it is in the US. I personally think we have a very good policing system over here, if not one of the world's best. People sometimes use opportunities such as a death of a black man to trigger violent protests/riots, however those people are honestly just out there to look for trouble.

The combination of weak government, school holidays and restless youths is the formula for most of these disturbances... perhaps wanting to just kick off to look like a bad man, in the usual "uniform" of covered face, cap, hoodie and tracksuit bottoms, with or without a stolen 125 moped, and then wondering why police are targeting you as you were only responding to a WhatsApp from the man dem that feds are kicking off in town...

Some bring it on themselves, and perhaps if the cops interactions with such are negative, they too gravitate towards blaming us. I've been stopped coming home from college, stuff emptied out, I was searched because of "black kids stealing from Dixon's" (this was back in the day), and although it peeed me off, there was no call to arms for a riot. In the 90s the cops were racist, but nowhere near American levels. They are improving but have some way to go, similar to the youths who avoid work, look for trouble then act surprised when police turn up