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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2018 13:47:04 GMT
It can't use either from April 2019 because that's when begins ULEZ. The ULEZ will require all SDs to be electric by then, but thr 214's new contract at NP with SEes will not start until the following August. Could the contract be negotiated: a) for the Go Ahead contract to start early (in April) b) for euro 6 diesels to operate, using swapped DELs from another route, or using spare ex-First DEs converted to euro6 (until August) c) for the new SEes to be delivered early but used by Metroline until end of contract The ex-First DEs can't be used because they diesel.
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 25, 2018 13:54:46 GMT
The ULEZ will require all SDs to be electric by then, but thr 214's new contract at NP with SEes will not start until the following August. Could the contract be negotiated: a) for the Go Ahead contract to start early (in April) b) for euro 6 diesels to operate, using swapped DELs from another route, or using spare ex-First DEs converted to euro6 (until August) c) for the new SEes to be delivered early but used by Metroline until end of contract The ex-First DEs can't be used because they diesel. The SEes ordered for the 214 are unlikely to be available until August 2019, as that is when the new contract starts with Go Ahead. Therefore only diesel vehicles will be available for use until then, with euro6 examples likely being preferable. TFL will have to make an exception to this route for the first few months of the ULEZ, UNLESS the electric vehicles can be in service earlier (which may require negotiations to the new and existing contracts).
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Post by COBO on Mar 25, 2018 15:02:11 GMT
The ex-First DEs can't be used because they diesel. The SEes ordered for the 214 are unlikely to be available until August 2019, as that is when the new contract starts with Go Ahead. Therefore only diesel vehicles will be available for use until then, with euro6 examples likely being preferable. TFL will have to make an exception to this route for the first few months of the ULEZ, UNLESS the electric vehicles can be in service earlier (which may require negotiations to the new and existing contracts). Well as the 70 or the C1 don't enter I ULEZ I guess Metroline could borrow their BYDs until the contract ends. I don't the Mayor would be happy having Diesels running in ULEZ.
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Post by snowman on Mar 25, 2018 15:29:51 GMT
The ex-First DEs can't be used because they diesel. The SEes ordered for the 214 are unlikely to be available until August 2019, as that is when the new contract starts with Go Ahead. Therefore only diesel vehicles will be available for use until then, with euro6 examples likely being preferable. TFL will have to make an exception to this route for the first few months of the ULEZ, UNLESS the electric vehicles can be in service earlier (which may require negotiations to the new and existing contracts). If they use diesels, will have to swap to make them euroVI to be compliant TfL can hardly fine everyone else and cancel fines to itself without creating ridicule
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 25, 2018 15:32:50 GMT
The SEes ordered for the 214 are unlikely to be available until August 2019, as that is when the new contract starts with Go Ahead. Therefore only diesel vehicles will be available for use until then, with euro6 examples likely being preferable. TFL will have to make an exception to this route for the first few months of the ULEZ, UNLESS the electric vehicles can be in service earlier (which may require negotiations to the new and existing contracts). Well as the 70 or the C1 don't enter I ULEZ I guess Metroline could borrow their BYDs until the contract ends. I don't the Mayor would be happy having Diesels running in ULEZ. That could work well, as the 70 and C1 can keep their existing DEs / DLEs until the 214 transfers to NP. As all other BYD/MMCs for other routes (46, 70 & C1) are due this summer, ADL could possibly manufacture the 214's SEes early so they are ready in time for the ULEZ in April 2019. These could either be loaned to Metroline for the last few months of contract, or the route could change operators early (as the 258 did).
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Post by vjaska on Mar 25, 2018 17:02:40 GMT
Well as the 70 or the C1 don't enter I ULEZ I guess Metroline could borrow their BYDs until the contract ends. I don't the Mayor would be happy having Diesels running in ULEZ. That could work well, as the 70 and C1 can keep their existing DEs / DLEs until the 214 transfers to NP. As all other BYD/MMCs for other routes (46, 70 & C1) are due this summer, ADL could possibly manufacture the 214's SEes early so they are ready in time for the ULEZ in April 2019. These could either be loaned to Metroline for the last few months of contract, or the route could change operators early (as the 258 did). That’s probably what will most likely happen - the contract start date gets moved forward like the 258 situation & the SEe’s are delivered earlier. It’s also possible that they could borrow RATP’s BYD’s if the SEe’s can’t arrive earlier but I see this option occurring less likely IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 20:17:11 GMT
Won't be many Tridents left in east London area by the end of 2018 - 241,330 lose them in May. 104 loses part allocation in late 2018 leaving just the 158 at WH with a part allocation.
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Post by lazy_eye_metaphor on Mar 27, 2018 8:07:26 GMT
Won't be many Tridents left in east London area by the end of 2018 - 241,330 lose them in May. 104 loses part allocation in late 2018 leaving just the 158 at WH with a part allocation. Still more than a handful left at PD. No idea which routes they are officially allocated to.
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 27, 2018 15:42:42 GMT
Won't be many Tridents left in east London area by the end of 2018 - 241,330 lose them in May. 104 loses part allocation in late 2018 leaving just the 158 at WH with a part allocation. Still more than a handful left at PD. No idea which routes they are officially allocated to. They should be replaced after upcoming tenders of some PD routes. However there is often a significant proportion of B5LH/G3s at PD not in service - if the majority of this batch are used daily, some tridents could be withdrawn.
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Post by VWH1414 on Mar 28, 2018 17:24:08 GMT
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 28, 2018 17:33:31 GMT
Its a shame they have to repaint it white tho
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Post by snowman on Jun 26, 2018 11:51:37 GMT
Looks like the Volvo B7TL chassis buses are a rapidly dying breed, (as is Plaxton President body)
GAL now has just 2 PVLs and about 20 WVLs Tower Transit only has 2 active VNW RATP has 2 VLEs (modified with Vantage power) Metroline still has few VPs on 460 and H12 and VPLs on 43 Arriva has some VLAs on 128 and 142 (and stragglers on other routes), and 1 VLW
Of these the batch on 43 might be longest survivors as due to be replaced by electric buses early 2019
The H12 contract ends 31 Aug (route lost to London Sovereign), and most of the others could probably be replaced soon by spare buses. Not sure about how the Arriva ones leave.
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Post by 15002 on Jun 26, 2018 12:06:37 GMT
Looks like the Volvo B7TL chassis buses are a rapidly dying breed, (as is Plaxton President body) GAL now has just 2 PVLs and about 20 WVLs Tower Transit only has 2 active VNW RATP has 2 VLEs (modified with Vantage power) Metroline still has few VPs on 460 and H12 and VPLs on 43 Arriva has some VLAs on 128 and 142 (and stragglers on other routes), and 1 VLW Of these the batch on 43 might be longest survivors as due to be replaced by electric buses early 2019 The H12 contract ends 31 Aug (route lost to London Sovereign), and most of the others could probably be replaced soon by spare buses. Not sure about how the Arriva ones leave. Isn’t the 43 getting replaced by hybrids before getting electrics? With the VMHs that were supposed to go on the 31 that is.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 26, 2018 13:23:57 GMT
Looks like the Volvo B7TL chassis buses are a rapidly dying breed, (as is Plaxton President body) GAL now has just 2 PVLs and about 20 WVLs Tower Transit only has 2 active VNW RATP has 2 VLEs (modified with Vantage power) Metroline still has few VPs on 460 and H12 and VPLs on 43 Arriva has some VLAs on 128 and 142 (and stragglers on other routes), and 1 VLW Of these the batch on 43 might be longest survivors as due to be replaced by electric buses early 2019 The H12 contract ends 31 Aug (route lost to London Sovereign), and most of the others could probably be replaced soon by spare buses. Not sure about how the Arriva ones leave. Isn’t the 43 getting replaced by hybrids before getting electrics? With the VMHs that were supposed to go on the 31 that is. Yes, the 43’s should be gone over the next few months. The Arriva ones at GR should all depart leaving just the 128 & the 2 still going at N for the 690 - 128’s will probably be the last as the 690’s should go at some point once N receive their T’s that went to TC & DT back.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 26, 2018 16:10:23 GMT
Looks like the Volvo B7TL chassis buses are a rapidly dying breed, (as is Plaxton President body) GAL now has just 2 PVLs and about 20 WVLs Tower Transit only has 2 active VNW RATP has 2 VLEs (modified with Vantage power) Metroline still has few VPs on 460 and H12 and VPLs on 43 Arriva has some VLAs on 128 and 142 (and stragglers on other routes), and 1 VLW Of these the batch on 43 might be longest survivors as due to be replaced by electric buses early 2019 The H12 contract ends 31 Aug (route lost to London Sovereign), and most of the others could probably be replaced soon by spare buses. Not sure about how the Arriva ones leave. I think Metroline's 55reg VWs on the 607 will be the last batch of B7TLs in regular London service.
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