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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 11:33:37 GMT
Thanks for the replies COBO & redexpress - a couple of things I noticed though: Brentford - could it be that the 6 DE16* are the refurb cover as AH has 29 DE's and the combined PVR's, including spares, of the 117 & 209 is 23 (117 is PVR of 9+1 spare and 209 is PVR of 12+1 spare)? It seems like the other three VW's are top ups for the 237 & E2. Cricklewood - there is 20 TE10* & 25 TEH's (not including TEH20*) yet the 32 has a PVR of 17 and the 210 a PVR of 14? Thanks on the DE's as I'd no clue at all - it seems like DE859-877/957 & 960 are split between the 232 & 324 as the numbers match up exactly. Much appreciated for filling some big gaps there, a good start has been made No worries Brentford - the DE allocations are a bit of a mess. Remember the 209 has only just been reduced so they haven't yet got round to dealing with any surplus vehicles. 209 was initially allocated DE1000-1014; the DE16xx were transferred in when the 117 was won, but were initially unblinded so were restricted to the 209 using slipboards, which is why I'd list them as 209 buses. I think they all have proper blinds now. One DE should be a spare for the 190 as there are only 10 DMs for a PVR of 10. TBH I'd just wait and see what they do with the surplus buses before settling the allocation. Cricklewood - again the 210 has only just been reduced (PVR was 17), hence the surplus of TEs. The surplus of TEHs is more puzzling. Looking at those numbers they should have enough TE/TEH to cover the school routes and do away with the TAs. Again I think we'll have to wait and see what happens with the surplus. Forgot to mention that LT809-811 are allocated to the 16 rather than the 189. TAs are spares to cover LT lost mileage, and will also act as refurb cover when the TEHs begin the process very soon. TEH1222 should officially have been at Edgware but never made it! I'd hold fire on the EW and W allocations as there are plans to swap the TEH11/1200s and TE7/800s again, as a result of spiralling maintenance costs and then the thermal incident.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 13, 2017 11:37:00 GMT
No worries Brentford - the DE allocations are a bit of a mess. Remember the 209 has only just been reduced so they haven't yet got round to dealing with any surplus vehicles. 209 was initially allocated DE1000-1014; the DE16xx were transferred in when the 117 was won, but were initially unblinded so were restricted to the 209 using slipboards, which is why I'd list them as 209 buses. I think they all have proper blinds now. One DE should be a spare for the 190 as there are only 10 DMs for a PVR of 10. TBH I'd just wait and see what they do with the surplus buses before settling the allocation. Cricklewood - again the 210 has only just been reduced (PVR was 17), hence the surplus of TEs. The surplus of TEHs is more puzzling. Looking at those numbers they should have enough TE/TEH to cover the school routes and do away with the TAs. Again I think we'll have to wait and see what happens with the surplus. Forgot to mention that LT809-811 are allocated to the 16 rather than the 189. TAs are spares to cover LT lost mileage, and will also act as refurb cover when the TEHs begin the process very soon. TEH1222 should officially have been at Edgware but never made it! I'd hold fire on the EW and W allocations as there are plans to swap the TEH11/1200s and TE7/800s again, as a result of the 113 TEH fire, if you'll pardon the pun!
Should the TEs return to EW, would they be placed on the 113 as doesn't the 113 contract require Hybrids? Or will the 113 move with the TEHs to W and then another route goes the other way?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 11:44:57 GMT
Other bits and pieces re Metroline allocations
Brentford VW 1844-1845 refurb floats Harrow Weald 640 is nominally VP so 612-628 Don't know why VP620 was dropped out of the H12 set!
H12 VP 612-628
Holloway 4 VWH 2088-2118 (yes I know some of these are still at Willesden!) 17 VWH 2001-2021 43 VPL 581-637 and TEs 603 officially TE class N5, N20 & N91 VW class
West Perivale 611 officially SEL class
Potters Bar N20 officially TE class N91 officially VWH class 634 officially TE class
Willesden (all based on the arrival of new vehicles, i.e. from Dec 17) 6 & 98 will share VWH 2382-2434 (98 also BYDs) 52 VWH 2306-2333 260 VWH 2334-2344 AND VWH2364-2370 302 VWH 2371-2381 + 1360-1364 460 VWH 1408-1419 N98 VWH class
Alperton VW 1841-1843 refurb floats
Uxbridge N207 officially TE/VW class (though there is a plan to go all VWH once all 222s buses arrive)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 11:47:49 GMT
TAs are spares to cover LT lost mileage, and will also act as refurb cover when the TEHs begin the process very soon. TEH1222 should officially have been at Edgware but never made it! I'd hold fire on the EW and W allocations as there are plans to swap the TEH11/1200s and TE7/800s again, as a result of the 113 TEH fire, if you'll pardon the pun!
Should the TEs return to EW, would they be placed on the 113 as doesn't the 113 contract require Hybrids? Or will the 113 move with the TEHs to W and then another route goes the other way? I believe it would work that the TE10/1100s would be on the 113/N113 The vehicle switch is planned but not yet confirmed. This has had TfL agreement.
113 to stay at EW regardless.
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Post by redexpress on Oct 13, 2017 12:37:16 GMT
Holloway4 VWH 2088-2118 (yes I know some of these are still at Willesden!) 17 VWH 2001-2021 43 VPL 581-637 and TEs 603 officially TE class N5, N20 & N91 VW class
Thanks for this. Just a question regarding the 43 - if it's still only allocated VPL/TE, what are the extra VWs at HT for (VW1378-1388 / VW1399)? I know the W7 accounts for the others. I was under the impression that these VWs had been switched to the 43 when the 134 moved out. Interesting to hear that PB are supposed to be using VWH on the N91. It's still mostly TE in practice, although VWH have started to make the odd appearance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 12:41:26 GMT
Holloway4 VWH 2088-2118 (yes I know some of these are still at Willesden!) 17 VWH 2001-2021 43 VPL 581-637 and TEs 603 officially TE class N5, N20 & N91 VW class
Thanks for this. Just a question regarding the 43 - if it's still only allocated VPL/TE, what are the extra VWs at HT for (VW1378-1388 / VW1399)? I know the W7 accounts for the others. I was under the impression that these VWs had been switched to the 43 when the 134 moved out. Interesting to hear that PB are supposed to be using VWH on the N91. It's still mostly TE in practice, although VWH have started to make the odd appearance. I believe those VWs would work the 43, but official allocation wise no. That is unless someone knows something different
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Post by VWH1414 on Oct 13, 2017 15:44:02 GMT
No worries Brentford - the DE allocations are a bit of a mess. Remember the 209 has only just been reduced so they haven't yet got round to dealing with any surplus vehicles. 209 was initially allocated DE1000-1014; the DE16xx were transferred in when the 117 was won, but were initially unblinded so were restricted to the 209 using slipboards, which is why I'd list them as 209 buses. I think they all have proper blinds now. One DE should be a spare for the 190 as there are only 10 DMs for a PVR of 10. TBH I'd just wait and see what they do with the surplus buses before settling the allocation. Cricklewood - again the 210 has only just been reduced (PVR was 17), hence the surplus of TEs. The surplus of TEHs is more puzzling. Looking at those numbers they should have enough TE/TEH to cover the school routes and do away with the TAs. Again I think we'll have to wait and see what happens with the surplus. Forgot to mention that LT809-811 are allocated to the 16 rather than the 189. TAs are spares to cover LT lost mileage, and will also act as refurb cover when the TEHs begin the process very soon. TEH1222 should officially have been at Edgware but never made it! I'd hold fire on the EW and W allocations as there are plans to swap the TEH11/1200s and TE7/800s again, as a result of spiralling maintenance costs and then the thermal incident.
Its the same with TE714 that never made it to W so in theory these two could swap
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Post by vjaska on Oct 13, 2017 21:27:13 GMT
@tp446 - thanks for those, much appreciated If you wondering why VP620 was missed out, it was one that at the time I wrote my fleetlist seemed to have not been out in a while Hope you don't mind me asking but do you happen to know any specific details on which particular buses are allocated to routes other than at AC - if not, no worries, you've helped me already
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 15:55:27 GMT
@tp446 - thanks for those, much appreciated If you wondering why VP620 was missed out, it was one that at the time I wrote my fleetlist seemed to have not been out in a while Hope you don't mind me asking but do you happen to know any specific details on which particular buses are allocated to routes other than at AC - if not, no worries, you've helped me already Let me see what I can try and do tomorrow
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Post by Hassaan on Oct 19, 2017 9:53:05 GMT
No worries Brentford - the DE allocations are a bit of a mess. Remember the 209 has only just been reduced so they haven't yet got round to dealing with any surplus vehicles. 209 was initially allocated DE1000-1014; the DE16xx were transferred in when the 117 was won, but were initially unblinded so were restricted to the 209 using slipboards, which is why I'd list them as 209 buses. I think they all have proper blinds now. One DE should be a spare for the 190 as there are only 10 DMs for a PVR of 10. TBH I'd just wait and see what they do with the surplus buses before settling the allocation. Cricklewood - again the 210 has only just been reduced (PVR was 17), hence the surplus of TEs. The surplus of TEHs is more puzzling. Looking at those numbers they should have enough TE/TEH to cover the school routes and do away with the TAs. Again I think we'll have to wait and see what happens with the surplus. Forgot to mention that LT809-811 are allocated to the 16 rather than the 189. TAs are spares to cover LT lost mileage, and will also act as refurb cover when the TEHs begin the process very soon. TEH1222 should officially have been at Edgware but never made it! I'd hold fire on the EW and W allocations as there are plans to swap the TEH11/1200s and TE7/800s again, as a result of spiralling maintenance costs and then the thermal incident.
Oh dear, that's going to add fuel to the "E400Hs are crap as they don't go above 40mph" thing always posted about (I am of the opinion that doing 40 in a 50 zone is perfectly acceptable, cue the "omg speed!" people being annoyed ). I remember London United ran ADH1-2 on the 482 and then later the H91 for the first 4 years of their life, and both routes have several miles of 40mph limits, so I wonder what has happened here? ADH45001 did catch fire but that was earlier this year after several years living on the 27. Wonder if they'll borrow VWHs from somewhere *cough* 120 .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:08:34 GMT
TAs are spares to cover LT lost mileage, and will also act as refurb cover when the TEHs begin the process very soon. TEH1222 should officially have been at Edgware but never made it! I'd hold fire on the EW and W allocations as there are plans to swap the TEH11/1200s and TE7/800s again, as a result of spiralling maintenance costs and then the thermal incident.
Wonder if they'll borrow VWHs from somewhere *cough* 120 . As the 120 contract is hybrid I'd very much doubt that, certainly without a hybrid replacement...
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 19, 2017 10:41:50 GMT
Wonder if they'll borrow VWHs from somewhere *cough* 120 . As the 120 contract is hybrid I'd very much doubt that, certainly without a hybrid replacement... But then so is the 113 ....
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Post by Hassaan on Oct 19, 2017 10:51:33 GMT
Wonder if they'll borrow VWHs from somewhere *cough* 120 . As the 120 contract is hybrid I'd very much doubt that, certainly without a hybrid replacement... I meant using TEHs elsewhere in order to get enough VWHs for the 113.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:53:19 GMT
@tp446 - thanks for those, much appreciated If you wondering why VP620 was missed out, it was one that at the time I wrote my fleetlist seemed to have not been out in a while Hope you don't mind me asking but do you happen to know any specific details on which particular buses are allocated to routes other than at AC - if not, no worries, you've helped me already NOMINALLY
HT 4 VWH2001-8 & 2012-23 17 VWH2088-2108 43 TE673-692, 1307-8, VW1295-1306 + 2VPL 143D TE670 (+2VW ex Rte W7) 271 VWH2109-2121, TE1309 603 TE671-2 W7 VW1289-14, 1378-88, 1468
24 LT15-40 91 LT745-67 168 LT641-63 390 LT8-14, 95-117, 175, 460-1
PLUS RM644 & RML903
KC 46 DE1170-1, 1318-36 214 DLD207, 693-711 274 DE1151-1169
PB 34 VWH2024-47 125 VWH2048-61 134 TE1313-17, 1420-48 263 TE904-14, 920-29 307 TE880-82, 884-88, 895-6, 898-903 634 1TE ex Rte134 W8 TE930-43, 1310-12 234 DEM1337-46 382 DEM1347-56 384 DEM1357-59, 1915-18
84 DEL848-58, TE665-69 242 DES791, 793-4, 796, 798 PB1 DES802
AC 6 VWH2382-2407 98 VWH2408-32, BYD1471-75 52, 260, 302 & 460 as mentioned before
W 16 LT190, 543-63, 789-92 189 LT793-811 32 TEH919, 1449-67 210 TE1075-90 266 TE712-38, 828,30 332 TEH2072-87 632 TEH915-18 643 TE1073-74 112 DEL2062-71 143 DE859-73 232 DE1137-50 316 DE1118-36 324 DE874-77, 1115-17 C11 DE1015-33, 1172-74
DE957, 960, 1612 + TA641-3, 645, 657, 659 refurb spares
EW 107 TE976-87 113 TEH1110-14, 1217-42 186 TE845-47, 878-9, 883, 889-94, 897, 988-92 204 TE1093-1104, TEH1105-09 240 TE831-41 606 TE842-44
HD 140 VWH2187-2218 182 VWH2219-43 640 VP613-4 H12 VP615-28
VP612 spare
PV 7 VWH2285-2305 79 VW1198-1209 245 VW1210, 1365-77, 1389, 97
PA 90 SEL757-64, 803-8, VW1175-78 105 VW1179-97 120 VWH2266-84 297 SEL739-56 611 SEL809
AH 237 VW1069-72, 1211-16, 1249-56, 1258-60, 1262-63 E2 VW1034-51 E8 VW1052-68 117 DE953, 956, 959, 993-96, 998, 1605-6 190 DM961-70, DE1607 209 DE1000-14 235 DEL2244-2265
DE1601, 1604, 1694 & VW1257, 1398-99, 1844-45 spares and refurb floats
ON 83 VW1752-77 483 VW1243-48, 1261, 1264-65, 1267-70, 1274,76, 1278, 1773-82, 1841 223 DEM1912-14, DE1610, 1783-85 224 DE1647, 1958-69 487 DE1807-16, 1895-96
DE1583, 1600, 1602 & VW1842-43 spares and refurb floats
G 92 TE1981-2000 207 VW1817-40, 1266, 1271-73, 1277, 1279-88 282 TE1715-32 482 TE1733-41 95 DE1795-97, 1897-1908 E6 DE1608-9, 1786-94, 1909-11
DE1611 spare
UX (NOTE: ARRANGEMENTS OF DEs & DELs) 114 VWH2167-86 222 VWH2345-2363 607 TE1575-82, 1742-44, VW1560-70 U3 TE944-45, DEL2157-66 U4 TE946-48, 950-51, 1571-73, 1744-51 331 DEL2145-53 A10 DE1584-85, 1588-90 U1 DE1798-1806 U2 DE1593-99 DEL2154-56 U10 DE1591-92
DE1676 & TE949 spares and refurb floats
WJ 18 VW1846-94 295 VWH2122-44 187 DE1613-1650-64 206 DEL1970-80, DE1648-49 226 ED1629-46 228 DE1614-28
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 10:55:14 GMT
As the 120 contract is hybrid I'd very much doubt that, certainly without a hybrid replacement... But then so is the 113 .... This was causing Metroline and TfL money so they agreed the swap of non-contractual vehicles as a one-off occurrence ...
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