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Post by redexpress on Oct 9, 2017 13:04:25 GMT
Presumably there must be some sort of written agreement in place regarding the 171 using Catford Garage? I can't think of any other instances where buses regularly enter another operators premises other than the former bus station at Hounslow but presumably some similar arrangement exists there? The situation at Hounslow is very different, as the "bus station" (or what's left of it) is a public facility rather than a private bus stand. I don't know the exact ownership details of AV but I suspect that the public bit of the forecourt belongs to TfL rather than LU - or if it does belong to LU, there must have been some provision made at the time of privatisation for the public bit to remain public. I can't imagine that LBL would have sold off a public bus station to a private bus operator without making some sort of permanent arrangement.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 9, 2017 13:07:42 GMT
Presumably there must be some sort of written agreement in place regarding the 171 using Catford Garage? I can't think of any other instances where buses regularly enter another operators premises other than the former bus station at Hounslow but presumably some similar arrangement exists there? As I said I expect TfL and Stagecoach have an agreement (possibly a simple sub lease?) about access and stand space for the 171. Whoever runs the 171 gains the benefit of access to the stand at TL courtesy of TfL's agreement. I would not be shocked if TfL have priced options in the 171 contract of using TL's stand or having to stand / terminate elsewhere. As I also said I would expect the arrangement to be subject to regular review and also if Stagecoach consider there has been any abuse of the facility by the 171 operator's staff. It's all fairly basic stuff really. Someone else mentioned Hounslow. I suspect that may be different as the bus station facility pre-existed privatisation and I would expect the property provisions governing that area are a mix of TfL and London United ownership, access rights and repair / maintenance obligations. That will go back to the time of privatisation where LT will have sought to preserve their access rights to the stands and bus station stops. I know it's changed over the years but the leases will have been amended to reflect the changed arrangements. Again all fairly standard stuff and LT / TfL's property people and lawyers have always been pretty "on the ball" in my past dealings with them.
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Post by lwldriver on Oct 10, 2017 9:49:06 GMT
Ive seen 171 and 320 drivers using TL's toilets, and ive heard BX have helped out mechanical 269s up Bexleyheath but it could be purely water leak repairs Indeed BX came out to my mechanical 269 when abtemperature alarm went off in a TA. He attended in a B11/16 E200 and was very quick at the repair. They must have some agreement in place.
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Post by lwldriver on Oct 10, 2017 9:51:45 GMT
As far as I am aware we aren't allowed. Go Ahead even refused access to turnaround on the 343 hence the need for the Jerningham Road stand. This makes me wonder, Will the 343 move to standing at NX garage when Go Ahead takeover? Will very much doubt it now, the Jerningham Road stop is a very busy one, most people just want to get up to Telegraph Hill. Saying that I am on the 343 today from 14:00-22:00. Catch me if you can.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 10, 2017 9:54:41 GMT
Ive seen 171 and 320 drivers using TL's toilets, and ive heard BX have helped out mechanical 269s up Bexleyheath but it could be purely water leak repairs Many moons back I've seen a Firstbus engineer attend to a broken down London General bus on the 295 in the Ladbroke Grove area. On another occasion when I was starting my shift at Stockwell garage there was a 196 blinded Connex Trident in the garage tended by a Stockwell engineer. The driver who I briefly chatted with was even able to use canteen facilities for the duration. It's good to see that good spirits are still about between operators.
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Post by lwldriver on Oct 10, 2017 9:54:44 GMT
As I understand it TL's forecourt is designated as a TfL bus stand during the day. I imagine as part of this, access to toilets should be given. I don't believe this arrangement applies to NX. Indeed as the Jerringham Road stand is presently also the first stop for the return journey. Therefore it's under TfL instruction that the stand time has to be taken there instead of closer to NX. I would guess however if drivers chose to walk it from the stand to NX and ask for the facilities, the chances[1] are that they'd be allowed in. [1] - based on two occasions when Arriva's BN helped me out when I needed the facilities and a till roll. On both occasions I was a 133 driver from Go Ahead that needed to take a brief pit stop at Telford Avenue I think it needs to made more clearer from TFL and the operators what the situation is with this.
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Post by sid on Oct 10, 2017 10:09:19 GMT
Indeed as the Jerringham Road stand is presently also the first stop for the return journey. Therefore it's under TfL instruction that the stand time has to be taken there instead of closer to NX. I would guess however if drivers chose to walk it from the stand to NX and ask for the facilities, the chances[1] are that they'd be allowed in. [1] - based on two occasions when Arriva's BN helped me out when I needed the facilities and a till roll. On both occasions I was a 133 driver from Go Ahead that needed to take a brief pit stop at Telford Avenue I think it needs to made more clearer from TFL and the operators what the situation is with this. I suppose it's between the operators really and nothing to do with TfL as such. There seems to be an open door policy at some garages about use of the canteen so it should presumably be the same about toilet facilities?
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Post by manuel528 on Oct 13, 2017 21:29:33 GMT
343 have a new toilet at City Hall since about 6-7 month ago, but its share with security at the new flat cross the road
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Post by TB141 on Oct 20, 2017 10:29:36 GMT
The issue of toilet facilities was raised when the R7 extension first went in as, outside shopping hours, there are none at either end of the route. As a result, on a Sunday, no less than 1 hour and 20 minutes layover is allocated at Chislehurst before 10am and after 4pm to allow drivers to travel back to TB to use the toilets. Weekday evenings you never do more than a rounder on your second half therefore no layover at Chislehurst at all.
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Post by Paul on Oct 20, 2017 11:23:50 GMT
The issue of toilet facilities was raised when the R7 extension first went in as, outside shopping hours, there are none at either end of the route. As a result, on a Sunday, no less than 1 hour and 20 minutes layover is allocated at Chislehurst before 10am and after 4pm to allow drivers to travel back to TB to use the toilets. Weekday evenings you never do more than a rounder on your second half therefore no layover at Chislehurst at all. Don't most drivers stay down there? I think I'm the only one that ever comes back! Of course, the cards say 'a TfL facility' so you could go to Eltham Station - it's probably about the same distance away as TB
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Post by TB141 on Oct 20, 2017 20:12:22 GMT
The issue of toilet facilities was raised when the R7 extension first went in as, outside shopping hours, there are none at either end of the route. As a result, on a Sunday, no less than 1 hour and 20 minutes layover is allocated at Chislehurst before 10am and after 4pm to allow drivers to travel back to TB to use the toilets. Weekday evenings you never do more than a rounder on your second half therefore no layover at Chislehurst at all. Don't most drivers stay down there? I think I'm the only one that ever comes back! Of course, the cards say 'a TfL facility' so you could go to Eltham Station - it's probably about the same distance away as TB I tend to stay down there but not sure I’ll be doing it in winter when it’s cold. Yeah you could go to Eltham, or Bromley North I guess.
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Post by sid on Oct 20, 2017 20:31:02 GMT
Don't most drivers stay down there? I think I'm the only one that ever comes back! Of course, the cards say 'a TfL facility' so you could go to Eltham Station - it's probably about the same distance away as TB I tend to stay down there but not sure I’ll be doing it in winter when it’s cold. Yeah you could go to Eltham, or Bromley North I guess. Are there no toilets available at Chislehurst station?
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Post by TB141 on Oct 20, 2017 20:32:25 GMT
I tend to stay down there but not sure I’ll be doing it in winter when it’s cold. Yeah you could go to Eltham, or Bromley North I guess. Are there no toilets available at Chislehurst station? They have to be at the end of the route.
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Post by sid on Oct 20, 2017 21:09:03 GMT
Are there no toilets available at Chislehurst station? They have to be at the end of the route. I just thought instead of driving back to TB you could drive to Chislehurst station and use the toilets although I suppose Sidcup station would be better as it's a bus stand? That said I don't know what time these stations are staffed until and I don't suppose it'll be much fun mid winter sitting around all that time if you can't keep the engine running!
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 4, 2018 12:04:16 GMT
I haven't been fussed to find the thread until now, but earlier this week I spotted a steel portaloo at the Harts Lane terminus of the 368 in Barking. For reasons I assume are to do with vandalism and budget constraints, it is not a normal TfL standard toilet as aforementioned with it being steel plated (like a shipping container) to limit the damage from the *ahem* wonderful locals of the Harts Lane estate. I do question if it is indeed cheaper to outsource this service, it is not connected to sewer mains so it has to be serviced on a frequent basis which costs money. I also question why the toilet facilities were placed on this end of the 368 terminus; in my opinion it was better off being placed at the Chadwell Heath end so any drivers from routes 62, 86, 173 and 362 if curtailed there, could also benefit from the toilet facilities. Alas, TfL set out to improve driver facilities and credit is where credit's due.
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