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Post by snoggle on Oct 16, 2017 15:14:27 GMT
This is the latest round of consultations over the design and location of two new stations in the Old Oak Common area to serve the proposed redevelopment zone and link with the new HS2 and Crossrail station. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/london-overground/old-oak-common/TfL have refined their preferred station design options and tweaked the specific locations for the proposed Hythe Road and Old Oak Common Lane stations. Interestingly in both cases they have opted for new stations on embankments with designs that don't look too far removed from the concrete shed concept used at Pudding Mill Lane on the DLR and proposed for Barking Riverside. I suspect these are relatively cheap to build compared to other options.
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Post by snowman on Oct 16, 2017 16:25:55 GMT
This is the latest round of consultations over the design and location of two new stations in the Old Oak Common area to serve the proposed redevelopment zone and link with the new HS2 and Crossrail station. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/london-overground/old-oak-common/TfL have refined their preferred station design options and tweaked the specific locations for the proposed Hythe Road and Old Oak Common Lane stations. Interestingly in both cases they have opted for new stations on embankments with designs that don't look too far removed from the concrete shed concept used at Pudding Mill Lane on the DLR and proposed for Barking Riverside. I suspect these are relatively cheap to build compared to other options. The advantage of that type of station design is it is easy to build and not too disruptive. The side walls are built away from operational railway, the roof beams are swung in with a crane during a shortish pocession, most of the rest is backfill surfaced up as a platform. In detail it's more than that, but can be virtually modular parts.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 16, 2017 17:03:14 GMT
This is the latest round of consultations over the design and location of two new stations in the Old Oak Common area to serve the proposed redevelopment zone and link with the new HS2 and Crossrail station. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/london-overground/old-oak-common/TfL have refined their preferred station design options and tweaked the specific locations for the proposed Hythe Road and Old Oak Common Lane stations. Interestingly in both cases they have opted for new stations on embankments with designs that don't look too far removed from the concrete shed concept used at Pudding Mill Lane on the DLR and proposed for Barking Riverside. I suspect these are relatively cheap to build compared to other options. The advantage of that type of station design is it is easy to build and not too disruptive. The side walls are built away from operational railway, the roof beams are swung in with a crane during a shortish pocession, most of the rest is backfill surfaced up as a platform. In detail it's more than that, but can be virtually modular parts. Sure - a deliberate choice no doubt. Some of the briefing notes do give an indicative cost difference between the options and TfL seem to have gone for the cheaper option in each case. No great shock there but nonetheless indicative of the general thinking and, I suspect, learning from Crossrail.
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Post by snowman on Feb 28, 2018 11:12:14 GMT
Appears the mayor has added couple of schemes to his transport strategy following consultation 1) Sutton tram scheme 2) West London orbital (Hounslow - Old Oak - Cricklewood - Hendon (presumably opening a passenger service along existing freight line) Link
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Post by snoggle on Feb 28, 2018 11:32:55 GMT
Appears the mayor has added couple of schemes to his transport strategy following consultation 1) Sutton tram scheme 2) West London orbital (Hounslow - Old Oak - Cricklewood - Hendon (presumably opening a passenger service along existing freight line) Link While it is nice to see the West London Orbital added there is no money for it nor the rest of the updated Strategy. It's all about some future 20 years ahead when we know the immediate few years to 2020 are horrendous and no new substantive schemes, other than Barking Riverside, will start. The Assembly are grilling the Transport Commissioner tomorrow, assuming the meeting happens, and I dare say we will find out a few more nasty nuggets as to why TfL's finances are shot to pieces.
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 2, 2018 11:24:41 GMT
With TFL's proposals for an orbital west london rail line from Cricklewood to Hounslow via the Dudding Hill Line and Brentford, I think this could be a chance to simplify the Overground network in west London. The current service on the West/North London lines provides an irregular service on different branches due to the WLL services that terminate at Willesden Junction. Also, the overlap of old and new services between Old Oak Common and South Acton, plus possible interchange at Harlesden, could be confusing.
I propose splitting the NLL/WLL into two services, integrating the west london orbital route. This would allow even frequencies on each route, with easy interchange between the two at Willesden Junction.
North London Line - operating from Stratford to Richmond, with a branch from South Acton to Hounslow via Brentford. An interchange with the Central Line at North Acton might be a useful addition.
West London Line - operating from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction, with an extension to the new Brent Cross Thameslink station, with two intermediate stops: Craven Park, Neasden (interchange with Jubilee Line), and possibly a third station at Gladstone Park. A new section of track would need to be built to connect the two sections together for this to be possible.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 2, 2018 20:56:59 GMT
With TFL's proposals for an orbital west london rail line from Cricklewood to Hounslow via the Dudding Hill Line and Brentford, I think this could be a chance to simplify the Overground network in west London. The current service on the West/North London lines provides an irregular service on different branches due to the WLL services that terminate at Willesden Junction. Also, the overlap of old and new services between Old Oak Common and South Acton, plus possible interchange at Harlesden, could be confusing. I propose splitting the NLL/WLL into two services, integrating the west london orbital route. This would allow even frequencies on each route, with easy interchange between the two at Willesden Junction. North London Line - operating from Stratford to Richmond, with a branch from South Acton to Hounslow via Brentford. An interchange with the Central Line at North Acton might be a useful addition. West London Line - operating from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction, with an extension to the new Brent Cross Thameslink station, with two intermediate stops: Craven Park, Neasden (interchange with Jubilee Line), and possibly a third station at Gladstone Park. A new section of track would need to be built to connect the two sections together for this to be possible. The problem with your idea is that you would end up with very large numbers having to interchange at Willesden Junction. The through trains from the WLL to the NLL are well used - I certainly value the convenience. You couldn't run 8 or 10 tph from Richmond to Stratford in the peaks - there is not the capacity on the Richmond branch to do this. It has yet to be proven that the Hounslow loop line can handle 4 Overground trains in between SWR services and whether 4 tph could be turned effectively at Hounslow - assuming a central turnback siding can be fitted in. I agree the proposed split of stations at Old Oak Common isn't ideal but it's all about saving money and avoiding rerouting any of the lines. I don't see much merit in trying to avoid the proposed tangential nature of the Hounslow - Brent Cross service. People from the WLL could get to Hounslow faster via Clapham Junction and if they wanted to go north then a change at Willesden Junction and Harlesden would suffice. Obviously that's a bit of a potential trek at Harlesden given the height difference between the DC line and the Dudding Hill Line. The ideal solution overall would have been a relocated track alignment with a single Old Oak Common Overground stn close to the Crossrail / HS2 site. Trains could then split to the WLL / NLL / Hounslow routes. However you would possibly need a 4 platform station at OOC if you were to handle so 12 or 14 tph in each direction without too much junction conflict. To be fair to TfL there are not many easy answers.
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