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Post by routew15 on Oct 26, 2017 11:48:00 GMT
Consultation page
-source: tfl consultation page plans are to reroute the 372 via Rainham Station towards Lakeside only consultation ends Sunday 10 December
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 26, 2017 13:12:49 GMT
When I did my end-to-end on a Stagecoach 103 not too long ago, I had this exact thought of why TfL haven't naturally rerouted the 372 closer to Rainham Station. Heck, a double-run will benefit a lot of Cherry Tree Lane passengers; but that teeny double run towards Hornchurch would have "impacted adversely on the reliability of the service."
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Post by vjaska on Oct 26, 2017 13:18:00 GMT
Consultation page
-source: tfl consultation page plans are to reroute the 372 via Rainham Station towards Lakeside only consultation ends Sunday 10 December Personally, it seems they've taken the half hearted approach as what's the issue with re-routing it towards Chase Cross?
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2017 15:03:27 GMT
Well if they implement this then the "out of date for half a decade" spider map for Rainham station will actually become 1/2 accurate. The map shows the 372 serving the station interchange (stop N) in both directions.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Oct 26, 2017 15:38:02 GMT
Well it would make Rainham Station more of an 'Interchange' - one of my pet peeves is the reference to it as an interchange where there's only two bus routes and only one rail line.
Improving connections is by no means a bad idea, so I support this proposal, and I'm sure a double run that short wouldn't affect journey times significantly.
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Post by routew15 on Oct 26, 2017 17:06:54 GMT
Consultation page
-source: tfl consultation page plans are to reroute the 372 via Rainham Station towards Lakeside only consultation ends Sunday 10 December Personally, it seems they've taken the half hearted approach as what's the issue with re-routing it towards Chase Cross? To be honest I think the reason for this consultation is to gauge public opinion on the north(west)bound diversion of the 372. If it's not for this purpose then what would be the point in this consultation it most probably would of just been implemented, not that that won't happen now.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2017 17:54:24 GMT
Personally, it seems they've taken the half hearted approach as what's the issue with re-routing it towards Chase Cross? To be honest I think the reason for this consultation is to gauge public opinion on the north(west)bound diversion of the 372. If it's not for this purpose then what would be the point in this consultation it most probably would of just been implemented, not that that won't happen now. I think the reason is strongly hinted at in the preamble. I think TfL have been getting it in the neck from Havering Council or possibly Keith Prince AM who represents that part of the world. The interchange was clearly built to allow all passing routes to serve it. The spider map shows this. I can well imagine Havering Council being a tad peeved at having spent the money and then seeing people have to schlep round the corner for the 372. I've done that interchange (from the train) and it's not very nice or convenient. It's not the end of the world, obviously, but if you're old, slow on your feet or with a buggy or children then it's far from ideal compared to a few steps to the Interchange stops.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 26, 2017 18:37:09 GMT
To be honest I think the reason for this consultation is to gauge public opinion on the north(west)bound diversion of the 372. If it's not for this purpose then what would be the point in this consultation it most probably would of just been implemented, not that that won't happen now. I think the reason is strongly hinted at in the preamble. I think TfL have been getting it in the neck from Havering Council or possibly Keith Prince AM who represents that part of the world. The interchange was clearly built to allow all passing routes to serve it. The spider map shows this. I can well imagine Havering Council being a tad peeved at having spent the money and then seeing people have to schlep round the corner for the 372. I've done that interchange (from the train) and it's not very nice or convenient. It's not the end of the world, obviously, but if you're old, slow on your feet or with a buggy or children then it's far from ideal compared to a few steps to the Interchange stops. Indeed, yet the consultation only offers a solution for those going in the Lakeside direction wanting Rainham - those going in the Chase Cross direction still have to make that walk rather than getting off outside which seems half hearted to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm in favour of the re-route but surely in both directions rather than one?
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Oct 26, 2017 18:43:38 GMT
Interesting they are open to doing this - I've done a Lakeside-bound 372 after finishing on a 103 before and didn't find the walk too cumbersome... ...but think 245 serving Sudbury Town station 'will no longer fit'. Huh.
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 26, 2017 18:51:29 GMT
Consultation page
-source: tfl consultation page plans are to reroute the 372 via Rainham Station towards Lakeside only consultation ends Sunday 10 December Personally, it seems they've taken the half hearted approach as what's the issue with re-routing it towards Chase Cross? The sign that greets you when entering the town should read Rainham: TfL's Half Hearted Attempt. Customers from Rainham station have a 450 metre walk to Tesco for eastbound connections on the 165/287, or 800 metres for the first stop on Upminster Road South. Considering TfL's target of passengers not having to walk more than 400 meters, the bus arrangements in Rainham town centre is even more disappointing. But adding 2 minutes onto the running time of a northbounud 372 via a double run at Rainham station is too expensive. The benefits of better bus connections far outwieghs the extra time on the schedule, but that's just me.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2017 19:08:35 GMT
Personally, it seems they've taken the half hearted approach as what's the issue with re-routing it towards Chase Cross? The sign that greets you when entering the town should read Rainham: TfL's Half Hearted Attempt. Customers from Rainham station have a 450 metre walk to Tesco for eastbound connections on the 165/287, or 800 metres for the first stop on Upminster Road South. Considering TfL's target of passengers not having to walk more than 400 meters, the bus arrangements in Rainham town centre is even more disappointing. But adding 2 minutes onto the running time of a northbounud 372 via a double run at Rainham station is too expensive. The benefits of better bus connections far outwieghs the extra time on the schedule, but that's just me. While not disagreeing with your basic comment I suspect TfL (and Stagecoach) take a particular view about the 372's schedule. And that will be that it has to be pretty robust to deal with the all too frequent traffic problems in and around Lakeside courtesy of too many cars / the M25. As a low frequency service I suspect there is a strong desire to avoid curtailements if possible and I don't think there are that many opportunties to turn it south of Rainham. What might look like a couple of minutes only may actually be too much - TfL say as much in the consultation. Given they have held out from the re-routing for years and years, when money was far more flush, this looks like a "what can we do to get the politicians off our back" move to me. I suspect they have no desire at all to really re-route the 372 but can't resist the political pressure given Keith Prince AM is chair of the Transport Committee at the moment and no doubt has Mike Brown and Leon Daniels' phone numbers on speed dial.
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Post by routew15 on Oct 26, 2017 19:45:38 GMT
To be honest I think the reason for this consultation is to gauge public opinion on the north(west)bound diversion of the 372. If it's not for this purpose then what would be the point in this consultation it most probably would of just been implemented, not that that won't happen now. I think the reason is strongly hinted at in the preamble. I think TfL have been getting it in the neck from Havering Council or possibly Keith Prince AM who represents that part of the world. The interchange was clearly built to allow all passing routes to serve it. The spider map shows this. I can well imagine Havering Council being a tad peeved at having spent the money and then seeing people have to schlep round the corner for the 372. I've done that interchange (from the train) and it's not very nice or convenient. It's not the end of the world, obviously, but if you're old, slow on your feet or with a buggy or children then it's far from ideal compared to a few steps to the Interchange stops. Whilst there’s local pressure for the 372 to serve the interchange, this does not allow TfL to gauge whether the adverse affect to Northbound passengers is worth it or not. The council and AM can moan and complain about the 372 not serving Rainham Interchange but if passengers do not wish to be adversely affected they can support TfL in the opposition to the diversion of the route in opposite direction. With that said whether TfL pay mind to the response given is another story.
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Post by VPL630 on Oct 26, 2017 20:04:25 GMT
Consultation page
-source: tfl consultation page plans are to reroute the 372 via Rainham Station towards Lakeside only consultation ends Sunday 10 December Having done a few late jobs on the 372, I can only say that it is a great idea, you always get people running across the road for the bus, there have been quite a few near misses with cars etc because of people running across the road to get the bus. It's also a good excuse to re-time the route.
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Post by danorak on Oct 26, 2017 20:48:02 GMT
What are the "concerns raised by councillors from the London Borough of Havering about historic infrastructure on Wennington Road" as mentioned in the consultation?
Also, is there anywhere along the 372 (which I'm not familiar with) where a sufficient journey time saving could be found to make a diversion in the other direction possible - a minor bit of bus priority perhaps?
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2017 21:44:09 GMT
Having done a few late jobs on the 372, I can only say that it is a great idea, you always get people running across the road for the bus, there have been quite a few near misses with cars etc because of people running across the road to get the bus. Can't say I am surprised given the importance of the link for people who've arrived by train and the low frequency. Who wants to wait for 20-30 mins, especially at night?
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