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Post by redbus on Dec 30, 2018 23:37:59 GMT
On the way home from work this afternoon every bus was heaving along Oxford Street, and it was a Sunday night. I hope TfL are proud they've cut a load of routes and they're planning to cut more. Picture 1 Picture 2Seen. it on twitter,absolutely shocked about it!It can't cope and tfl are trying to cut the service! That's empty compared to the 139 I was on earlier with standing on the top desk!!!
Seriously TfL need to provide buses to meet the demand in Oxford Street, not just cut buses in Oxford Street because various stakeholders (who probably don't use the buses in Oxford Street) say so.
Also I think TfL should have provided a Saturday service today on bus routes to major shopping places which they know are going to be busy at this time of year.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 31, 2018 0:01:16 GMT
On the way home from work this afternoon every bus was heaving along Oxford Street, and it was a Sunday night. I hope TfL are proud they've cut a load of routes and they're planning to cut more. Picture 1 Picture 2More evidence of insanity at TfL Towers. This nonsense has to stop. Buses should not be loaded up to the windscreen in normal circumstances. Buses MUST be restored to Oxford Street.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 31, 2018 0:19:36 GMT
The more I think about it, it would have been better (i.e. less worse, if that is possible) to merge the 7 and the 10, and keep the 23 as one of the four routes permitted to pass Selfridge's front entrance on Oxford Street, then at least it could have provided some relief to the 139 as far as Aldwych. It's irrelevant that no-one would want to use the 7 to travel between East Acton and Hammersmith, as no-one wants to use the 23 between Westbourne Park and Hammersmith either! Those few passengers who've gained a new link between Paddington and Knightsbridge on the 23 would still get it on the 7.
I'm just waiting for the penny to drop with the major Oxford Street shops that the changes so far have led to a significant deterioration in services for those of their customers who don't tube or taxi it, with further deterioration to come, by all accounts. I expect the backlash to begin by February.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 31, 2018 0:22:22 GMT
Considering that it's the gap between Christmas and New Year, the West End has been really busy with even more shoppers and tourists than usual. Marble Arch tube had a one way system when I was up Oxford Street on Saturday afternoon with exit onto the northern Oxford Street entrance and entry on the corner of Park Lane.
Tottenham Court Road despite the revamp and large corridors to the Central line was heaving as well.
Now imagine if the road was closed and those people could actually walk along the street instead of dodging cabs and the remaining routes? Nope, bring back the buses while everyone eventually gets put off and goes to Westfield at either end of the Central line instead!
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Post by snoggle on Dec 31, 2018 0:26:51 GMT
Considering that it's the gap between Christmas and New Year, the West End has been really busy with even more shoppers and tourists than usual. Marble Arch tube had a one way system when I was up Oxford Street on Saturday afternoon with exit onto the northern Oxford Street entrance and entry on the corner of Park Lane. Tottenham Court Road despite the revamp and large corridors to the Central line was heaving as well. Now imagine if the road was closed and those people could actually walk along the street instead of dodging cabs and the remaining routes? Nope, bring back the buses while everyone eventually gets put off and goes to Westfield at either end of the Central line instead! Which just goes to show the tube can't manage either if somewhere like TCR which has had the best part of £800m spent on it is struggling to cope. Imagine if Crossrail WAS open! TCR would probably be jammed solid. These station capacity schemes are supposed to give many years "headroom" before filling up, not months.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 31, 2018 0:33:32 GMT
Considering that it's the gap between Christmas and New Year, the West End has been really busy with even more shoppers and tourists than usual. Marble Arch tube had a one way system when I was up Oxford Street on Saturday afternoon with exit onto the northern Oxford Street entrance and entry on the corner of Park Lane. Tottenham Court Road despite the revamp and large corridors to the Central line was heaving as well. Now imagine if the road was closed and those people could actually walk along the street instead of dodging cabs and the remaining routes? Nope, bring back the buses while everyone eventually gets put off and goes to Westfield at either end of the Central line instead! Which just goes to show the tube can't manage either if somewhere like TCR which has had the best part of £800m spent on it is struggling to cope. Imagine if Crossrail WAS open! TCR would probably be jammed solid. These station capacity schemes are supposed to give many years "headroom" before filling up, not months. At platform level at TCR and Marble Arch, the Central line is fine, which makes me think that the design at TCR is to deliberately slow people to get to there in the first place to reduce the flow. Remember the Elizabeth line platforms will be longer and can handle more passengers than the existing Central line over that section, which may relieve some of the issues I experienced this weekend.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 31, 2018 0:59:39 GMT
Considering that it's the gap between Christmas and New Year, the West End has been really busy with even more shoppers and tourists than usual. Marble Arch tube had a one way system when I was up Oxford Street on Saturday afternoon with exit onto the northern Oxford Street entrance and entry on the corner of Park Lane. Tottenham Court Road despite the revamp and large corridors to the Central line was heaving as well. Now imagine if the road was closed and those people could actually walk along the street instead of dodging cabs and the remaining routes? Nope, bring back the buses while everyone eventually gets put off and goes to Westfield at either end of the Central line instead! I can imagine the road being closed and all the congestion it would inevitably cause to surrounding roads as people try to even get near to Marble Arch or Oxford Circus and then deciding they're better off going Westfield with more bus patronage declining...... See, it's easy to write 'doomsday' scenarios
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Post by sid on Dec 31, 2018 7:47:03 GMT
No buses were anywhere near loaded to the windscreen when I was in Oxford Street about midday on Saturday. The only hint of overcrowding was on the 390 towards Archway hence my suggestion of rerouting the 73 via Vere Street.
These problems are surely down to inadequate Sunday services which happens in a lot of areas rather than anything unique to Oxford Street? Similar overcrowding occurs in many town centres when the shops close on a Sunday.
I hope nobody is holding their breath awaiting this backlash and I wonder when the penny is going to drop and people realise Oxford Street is actually more pleasant with less buses?
It is unfortunate that the opening of Crossrail has been delayed, and I do think the 25 change should have been postponed until it is, but not the end of the world.
I hope nobody minds me adding a dose of reality?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 11:14:34 GMT
No buses were anywhere near loaded to the windscreen when I was in Oxford Street about midday on Saturday. The only hint of overcrowding was on the 390 towards Archway hence my suggestion of rerouting the 73 via Vere Street. These problems are surely down to inadequate Sunday services which happens in a lot of areas rather than anything unique to Oxford Street? Similar overcrowding occurs in many town centres when the shops close on a Sunday. I hope nobody is holding their breath awaiting this backlash and I wonder when the penny is going to drop and people realise Oxford Street is actually more pleasant with less buses? It is unfortunate that the opening of Crossrail has been delayed, and I do think the 25 change should have been postponed until it is, but not the end of the world. I hope nobody minds me adding a dose of reality? Of course buses won't be that loaded at midday. You have to give people time to get to the shops and then shop. There is some reality for you.
Did you make any late afternoon or evening time observations? I agree with the comment about the 73, and maybe the same for the 55 also...
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Post by sid on Dec 31, 2018 11:23:34 GMT
No buses were anywhere near loaded to the windscreen when I was in Oxford Street about midday on Saturday. The only hint of overcrowding was on the 390 towards Archway hence my suggestion of rerouting the 73 via Vere Street. These problems are surely down to inadequate Sunday services which happens in a lot of areas rather than anything unique to Oxford Street? Similar overcrowding occurs in many town centres when the shops close on a Sunday. I hope nobody is holding their breath awaiting this backlash and I wonder when the penny is going to drop and people realise Oxford Street is actually more pleasant with less buses? It is unfortunate that the opening of Crossrail has been delayed, and I do think the 25 change should have been postponed until it is, but not the end of the world. I hope nobody minds me adding a dose of reality? Of course buses won't be that loaded at midday. You have to give people time to get to the shops and then shop. There is some reality for you.
Did you make any late afternoon or evening time observations? I agree with the comment about the 73, and maybe the same for the 55 also...
I have been along Oxford Street at various times since the changes and not noticed any particular overcrowding except on the 390. It's really not unusual to find overcrowded buses around closing time on a Sunday, in fact here's a photo, albeit not a particularly good one, of the stop opposite the Greyhound in Bromley at about 17.00 on Sunday 23rd. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/45523439065/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 14:24:34 GMT
Of course buses won't be that loaded at midday. You have to give people time to get to the shops and then shop. There is some reality for you.
Did you make any late afternoon or evening time observations? I agree with the comment about the 73, and maybe the same for the 55 also... I have been along Oxford Street at various times since the changes and not noticed any particular overcrowding except on the 390. It's really not unusual to find overcrowded buses around closing time on a Sunday, in fact here's a photo, albeit not a particularly good one, of the stop opposite the Greyhound in Bromley at about 17.00 on Sunday 23rd. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/45523439065/Short answer is that there are not enough buses if you are getting queues like that. I would hardly call 3-6pm closing time on a Saturday.
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Post by sid on Jan 1, 2019 7:47:35 GMT
I have been along Oxford Street at various times since the changes and not noticed any particular overcrowding except on the 390. It's really not unusual to find overcrowded buses around closing time on a Sunday, in fact here's a photo, albeit not a particularly good one, of the stop opposite the Greyhound in Bromley at about 17.00 on Sunday 23rd. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/45523439065/Short answer is that there are not enough buses if you are getting queues like that. I would hardly call 3-6pm closing time on a Saturday.
Those photos were taken on a Sunday.
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Post by ibus246 on Jan 1, 2019 14:30:57 GMT
Short answer is that there are not enough buses if you are getting queues like that. I would hardly call 3-6pm closing time on a Saturday.
Those photos were taken on a Sunday. And the Sunday before Christmas?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 12:09:44 GMT
Short answer is that there are not enough buses if you are getting queues like that. I would hardly call 3-6pm closing time on a Saturday.
Those photos were taken on a Sunday. I misread, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 12:13:50 GMT
I had another walk along Oxford Street yesterday afternoon. So much quieter, especially as some shops like John Lewis weren't even open. Buses were still busy however. 94s and 98s had very good loads and some 139s were full downstairs. No wall-to-wall of red buses; you were lucky if there were more than two buses running together at all, including all the 14s, 19s & 38s on diversion. However, there was traffic caused by private cars and taxis.
Wigmore street was empty which made me appreciate just how many different sets of traffic lights there were along it.
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