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Post by busaholic on Feb 26, 2019 22:28:15 GMT
If Khan has suggested not pedestrianising Oxford Street makes it more dangerous, then perhaps he should consider how cycle lanes have been utilised by vehicles to carry out terrorist attacks. Point is, no matter what you do, you can’t make a Street 100% safe. One can obviously stop buses hitting pedestrians by banning buses, but an increase in buses using another street close by just displaces that risk. The evidence from Nice and Barcelona showed that terrorists take advantage of crowds of people milling in areas free of much vehicular traffic to achieve their murderous aims of causing as many casualties as possible. An Oxford Street full of buses and taxis would diminish the possible casualty list or, better still, make an attempt less likely to happen. Nothing will convince me that is not a logical position to take. Putting in hundreds of concrete barriers would both make such areas hugely unappealing and prevent access to emergency vehicles when needed, as happened at Grenfell Tower, unfortunately.
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2019 22:41:54 GMT
If Khan has suggested not pedestrianising Oxford Street makes it more dangerous, then perhaps he should consider how cycle lanes have been utilised by vehicles to carry out terrorist attacks. Point is, no matter what you do, you can’t make a Street 100% safe. One can obviously stop buses hitting pedestrians by banning buses, but an increase in buses using another street close by just displaces that risk. The evidence from Nice and Barcelona showed that terrorists take advantage of crowds of people milling in areas free of much vehicular traffic to achieve their murderous aims of causing as many casualties as possible. An Oxford Street full of buses and taxis would diminish the possible casualty list or, better still, make an attempt less likely to happen. Nothing will convince me that is not a logical position to take. Putting in hundreds of concrete barriers would both make such areas hugely unappealing and prevent access to emergency vehicles when needed, as happened at Grenfell Tower, unfortunately. Making an area inaccessible to vehicles obviously makes it impossible for terrorists to launch a vehicle attack. Obviously there would be provision for emergency vehicles. When have cycle lanes been used to launch terrorist attacks?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 26, 2019 23:26:11 GMT
The evidence from Nice and Barcelona showed that terrorists take advantage of crowds of people milling in areas free of much vehicular traffic to achieve their murderous aims of causing as many casualties as possible. An Oxford Street full of buses and taxis would diminish the possible casualty list or, better still, make an attempt less likely to happen. Nothing will convince me that is not a logical position to take. Putting in hundreds of concrete barriers would both make such areas hugely unappealing and prevent access to emergency vehicles when needed, as happened at Grenfell Tower, unfortunately. Making an area inaccessible to vehicles obviously makes it impossible for terrorists to launch a vehicle attack. Obviously there would be provision for emergency vehicles. When have cycle lanes been used to launch terrorist attacks? You've quoted the wrong person as busaholic never mentioned cycle lanes at all.
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Post by sid on Feb 26, 2019 23:32:52 GMT
Making an area inaccessible to vehicles obviously makes it impossible for terrorists to launch a vehicle attack. Obviously there would be provision for emergency vehicles. When have cycle lanes been used to launch terrorist attacks? You've quoted the wrong person as busaholic never mentioned cycle lanes at all. I know but it hardly seemed worth making two posts about the same subject.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 10:09:54 GMT
The evidence from Nice and Barcelona showed that terrorists take advantage of crowds of people milling in areas free of much vehicular traffic to achieve their murderous aims of causing as many casualties as possible. An Oxford Street full of buses and taxis would diminish the possible casualty list or, better still, make an attempt less likely to happen. Nothing will convince me that is not a logical position to take. Putting in hundreds of concrete barriers would both make such areas hugely unappealing and prevent access to emergency vehicles when needed, as happened at Grenfell Tower, unfortunately. Making an area inaccessible to vehicles obviously makes it impossible for terrorists to launch a vehicle attack. Obviously there would be provision for emergency vehicles. When have cycle lanes been used to launch terrorist attacks? Westminster Bridge and then the failed attempt later on at Parliament Square.
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Post by sid on Feb 27, 2019 11:00:08 GMT
Making an area inaccessible to vehicles obviously makes it impossible for terrorists to launch a vehicle attack. Obviously there would be provision for emergency vehicles. When have cycle lanes been used to launch terrorist attacks? Westminster Bridge and then the failed attempt later on at Parliament Square. I'm not sure cycle lanes were a factor?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 27, 2019 11:12:53 GMT
Westminster Bridge and then the failed attempt later on at Parliament Square. I'm not sure cycle lanes were a factor? Yes they were, that's how the van got to the pedestrians.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 11:18:02 GMT
I'm not sure cycle lanes were a factor? Yes they were, that's how the van got to the pedestrians. And knocked over cyclists, whilst seemingly avoiding the stationery road traffic in the vehicular lanes on the bridge.
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Post by sid on Feb 27, 2019 11:18:18 GMT
I'm not sure cycle lanes were a factor? Yes they were, that's how the van got to the pedestrians. Well if that was the case surely it's not difficult to put the necessary infrastructure in place to prevent any vehicle using a cycle lane? ** I've found something on the subject here www.bikebiz.com/business/peer-blames-westminster-bridge-cycle-lane-for-terrorist-attackThe problem seems to have been that the cycle lane didn't have a physical barrier but it would have still happened if the cycle lanes hadn't been there and Christian Woolmer disagrees with the assertion anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 11:21:47 GMT
Yes they were, that's how the van got to the pedestrians. Well if that was the case surely it's not difficult to put the necessary infrastructure in place to prevent any vehicle using a cycle lane? That hasn't been done, but new pavement barriers have since been installed across all Central London bridges, separating pedestrians from the road car/cycle lane interface, hence why it was only a couple of cyclists who were knocked over in the failed car ramming terrorist event last year.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 27, 2019 13:35:35 GMT
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Post by snowman on Nov 13, 2019 8:43:55 GMT
New ideas for Oxford Street 2022 Also refers to TfLs commitment to just 4 bus routes along Oxford Street once Elizabeth Line opens There is reference to area being made zero emission, so I wonder if those 4 bus routes will have to become electric
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 13, 2019 10:27:57 GMT
Likely. The 7 will already be. Looks like again the 94 and 159 will be on the chopping block.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 13, 2019 11:12:00 GMT
Thou ofcourse after Crossrail the 7 could be cut due to a "new rail link between Paddington and Bond Street". The 94 maybe has a TBC PVR in its contract allowing for a future cut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 11:23:30 GMT
New ideas for Oxford Street 2022 Also refers to TfLs commitment to just 4 bus routes along Oxford Street once Elizabeth Line opens There is reference to area being made zero emission, so I wonder if those 4 bus routes will have to become electric Just another proposal. And that’s if crossrail ever opens. I think if it is just four routes, they should be the 94,98,139 and 390. Having the 7 and 98 from Edgware Road is rather daft. At least if the 94 remained , which would already be electric, kind of hard to justify withdrawing an electric route from the street really.
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