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Post by moz on Nov 9, 2017 21:53:03 GMT
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Post by busoccultation on Nov 9, 2017 22:09:42 GMT
Looks like to me it's an either a brake failure or the driver wasn't fully paying attention to the road. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 22:11:47 GMT
From the footage the LT seems to accelerate even after crashing in to the stationary cars. Jammed accelerator pedal?
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Post by planesandtrains on Nov 9, 2017 22:20:18 GMT
I always have an uneasy feeling with that Siemens hybrid system, it always feels really weird braking and accelerating (too smooth). Now with the 267 being converted, how long until something will happen over here?  |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 9, 2017 22:24:21 GMT
I am sure the residents of Twickenham relish these LTs coming soon to their streets on the 267  can you cut the power or shut off the engine? Is there an emergency fuel cut off switch in the cab?  |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 9, 2017 22:27:44 GMT
I always have an uneasy feeling with that siemens hybrid system, it always feels really weird braking and accelerating (too smooth). Other than that I love the design of the vehicle. But this particular type is having too many accidents. I wonder if they could be converted to B5LH's / SRMs? A lot of operators outside London have returned to conventional diesel as hybrid tech is expensive and unreliable |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 9, 2017 22:31:39 GMT
I always have an uneasy feeling with that Siemens hybrid system, it always feels really weird braking and accelerating (too smooth). Now with the 267 being converted, how long until something will happen over here? Despite the buses are awful, it's only seemingly happened twice so I doubt it'll be worth worrying about. If it is a brake failure I'd imagine TfL, Arriva and Wright will be straight onto trying to work out the issue is, working out why it happened and if something preventable is there. |
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 9, 2017 23:10:32 GMT
I always have an uneasy feeling with that Siemens hybrid system, it always feels really weird braking and accelerating (too smooth). Now with the 267 being converted, how long until something will happen over here? The smoothness of that hybrid system is partly due to it not having different gears, as a B5LH does. I would have thought that would always be considered a good thing for passenger comfort and not something to feel uneasy about. Yes, it has a lot more electronics than older buses and I realise that some people feel uneasy when something is controlled by a computer instead of a direct mechanical (or simple electrical) link but modern vehicles of all kinds have such systems. I wonder if they could be converted to B5LH's / SRMs? A lot of operators outside London have returned to conventional diesel as hybrid tech is expensive and unreliable As I've mentioned before, the B5LH is a completely different chassis with its engine where the rear door is on an LT and a longer rear overhang, while the SRM might look similar to the New Routemaster but actually has a lot more in common with the Gemini 3. They are entirely different bus types and it would not be possible to convert one to the other. Even if it was possible to fit Volvo's hybrid system to LTs, isn't that a bit drastic when if there does turn out to be some issue with the Siemens system, it would be so much simpler and cheaper to design a modification for that? A couple of provincial operators have converted Enviro400Hs to diesel due to the cost of replacing the batteries. Others may be buying diesels instead of more hybrids but those hybrids in most cases were partially paid for with special funding so that doesn't suggest they are unhappy with reliability, more that Hybrids were always too expensive for those operators. I'm unsure how your second sentence relates to the first though, as the B5LH is also a hybrid chassis. it's only seemingly happened twice so I doubt it'll be worth worrying about. If it is a brake failure I'd imagine TfL, Arriva and Wright will be straight onto trying to work out the issue is, working out why it happened and if something preventable is there. Surely it is too early to know what happened in this incident and I believe LT62's accident was not proven to be a vehicle fault, so it's possible that what you describe hasn't happened at all. Of course I agree if an issue is found as a result of this then Wrightbus, TfL and the operators will look into it and make modifications. For a passenger it's definitely not something worth worrying about - with hundreds in service for some time, typically in stop-start heavy traffic, even if there has been a couple of runaways caused by a fault it would still be incredibly rare. Other than this bus, only two other LTs are known to be off the road due to accidents (both on route 8, where speculation was more to do with the new road layout there), and just one more has not been in service at all in the past month. With a fleet size of 983 buses now, as a percentage this is the lowest it has ever been and I doubt is any worse than the bus fleet as a whole, bearing in mind that LT routes tend to serve more high profile locations so minor collisions are more likely to be reported. LTs make up 10% of the total fleet these days so inevitably accidents will happen from time to time. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 23:29:35 GMT
3 possible explanations: - Accelerator Pedal Jammed (Malfunction) - Deliberate Act by Driver (Manslaughter) - Hijacked by ISIS  (Terrorism) Seeing as the bus seems to accelerate faster & faster thru the parked cars I'm placing my bet on a jammed accelerator pedal...  |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 9, 2017 23:39:15 GMT
3 possible explanations: - Accelerator Pedal Jammed (Malfunction) - Deliberate Act by Driver (Manslaughter) - Hijacked by ISIS (Terrorism) Seeing as the bus seems to accelerate faster & faster thru the parked cars I'm placing my bet on a jammed accelerator pedal... Hit accelerator rather than brake? |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 10, 2017 0:04:29 GMT
3 possible explanations: - Accelerator Pedal Jammed (Malfunction) - Deliberate Act by Driver (Manslaughter) - Hijacked by ISIS (Terrorism) Seeing as the bus seems to accelerate faster & faster thru the parked cars I'm placing my bet on a jammed accelerator pedal... If ISIS stands for Intermittently Suspect Interlock System, then I choose the last one Stuck Accelerator pedal I hope astock5000 I am not sure myself, typing when tired  |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 10, 2017 0:24:59 GMT
Me being really boring here but probably best wait and see what the outcome here
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 0:27:16 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Nov 10, 2017 1:00:25 GMT
Me being really boring here but probably best wait and see what the outcome here is the right answer even though I remarked earlier in an earlier thread. I see the newspaper media are hyping this to a level of hysteria that even Server King (DW535) rarely reaches in his parody articles. |
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Post by rambo on Nov 10, 2017 1:10:08 GMT
I reckon bus driver had a run in with a 'ganster' type and was trying to get away.
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can you cut the power or shut off the engine? Is there an emergency fuel cut off switch in the cab? 
