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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 10, 2017 1:55:41 GMT
I cannot comment too much over the incident for obvious reasons. It is a sad shame it has happened to this driver as is a nice guy. He started with Arriva last year at Ash Grove. There was not any fault found with the bus and police did brake test it on the road after and found no fault with it. CCTV would be downloaded from the bus. The bus was towed back to the garage after to be sealed. As usual with Sovereign, it took a long while. There has been a fair amount of foot placement error over the years and the LT seems to have had a fair amount of high profile ones. The prototypes had the pedals/seat position changed and IIRC the production ones had this done. But one reason I have said which I believe is a contributing cause on many buses is down to the way many drivers are putting the front of their seat close to the floor with the back section raised higher. Back in the day of the Titan's, early Darts, RM's etc, this was not possible and less of this occurred.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 10, 2017 12:07:48 GMT
There has been a fair amount of foot placement error over the years and the LT seems to have had a fair amount of high profile ones. The prototypes had the pedals/seat position changed and IIRC the production ones had this done. But one reason I have said which I believe is a contributing cause on many buses is down to the way many drivers are putting the front of their seat close to the floor with the back section raised higher. Back in the day of the Titan's, early Darts, RM's etc, this was not possible and less of this occurred. Interesting observation. One of those small things - a fully adjustable driver's seat - that is essentially a good idea but can lead to issues / risks when used in a particular way. I wonder if that will be picked up as a possible underlying cause - don't know how thorough bus accident investigations are. It probably would be found in a railway investigation as they do very thorough root cause analysis.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 10, 2017 17:56:08 GMT
There has been a fair amount of foot placement error over the years and the LT seems to have had a fair amount of high profile ones. The prototypes had the pedals/seat position changed and IIRC the production ones had this done. But one reason I have said which I believe is a contributing cause on many buses is down to the way many drivers are putting the front of their seat close to the floor with the back section raised higher. Back in the day of the Titan's, early Darts, RM's etc, this was not possible and less of this occurred. Interesting observation. One of those small things - a fully adjustable driver's seat - that is essentially a good idea but can lead to issues / risks when used in a particular way. I wonder if that will be picked up as a possible underlying cause - don't know how thorough bus accident investigations are. It probably would be found in a railway investigation as they do very thorough root cause analysis. One thing with foot placement error which many seem not to do is to apply the handbrake or come off the brake and re-apply. There are a lot of bad driving positions over the years. There are a few buses now also with a camera placed near the drivers feet for this very reason.
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Post by Jack on Nov 12, 2017 12:19:22 GMT
Driver looks awfully similar to the one involved in the 11 incident in Chelsea 👀
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Post by lwldriver on Nov 12, 2017 12:48:55 GMT
Driver looks awfully similar to the one involved in the 11 incident in Chelsea 👀 He does actually.
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Post by rambo on Nov 12, 2017 19:48:50 GMT
Driver looks awfully similar to the one involved in the 11 incident in Chelsea 👀 He does actually. Thought the same thing...............
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Post by VPL630 on Nov 12, 2017 20:35:22 GMT
Many people have told me that it is that driver and that he is blaming the bus like last time, if this is the case or not, in the video you never see brake lights, on a Boris as soon as you let off the accelerator the retarder comes on with the brake lights so he must have been touching the accelerator which would go in line with him being out of control, if he was out of control he should have pulled the hand brake...
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Post by londonbusboy on Nov 12, 2017 20:44:10 GMT
I cannot comment too much over the incident for obvious reasons. It is a sad shame it has happened to this driver as is a nice guy. He started with Arriva last year at Ash Grove. There was not any fault found with the bus and police did brake test it on the road after and found no fault with it. CCTV would be downloaded from the bus. The bus was towed back to the garage after to be sealed. As usual with Sovereign, it took a long while. There has been a fair amount of foot placement error over the years and the LT seems to have had a fair amount of high profile ones. The prototypes had the pedals/seat position changed and IIRC the production ones had this done. But one reason I have said which I believe is a contributing cause on many buses is down to the way many drivers are putting the front of their seat close to the floor with the back section raised higher. Back in the day of the Titan's, early Darts, RM's etc, this was not possible and less of this occurred. I've taken over from drivers who have the back of the seat significantly higher than the front and think how is that comfortable. Myself personally ill have the seat level or the back part slightly lower than the front
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Post by RM5chris on Nov 12, 2017 21:01:45 GMT
Can we leave the speculation as to the cause, to the investigation please. Irrespective of what the cause was this is no doubt a traumatising incident for all involved.
We have established the vehicle involved which I think is the only effect relevant to the forum.
Thread will now be locked.
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