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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 20:30:59 GMT
More oddities that are not get explained are new signs on the Shenfield line adding in Northern line at Liverpool Street (which can only be reached from the Elizabeth line platforms, not the mainline platforms) and the addition of Abbey Wood branch There is a guess in the article that trains will be operated to Liverpool Street (new platforms) then reverse to Abbey Wood (using crossovers on new line). However I vaguely remember the central core was going to be bi-directional signalled so in theory might be possible to run wrong line back to Custom House where there are also crossovers. 2 Possibilites that might be the reason: there are penalties with Canary Wharf Limited if Canary Wharf station not open by a certain date it frees up the mainline platforms 15-18 for closure of 18 and extension of 16 and 17 to take 9 car peak trains and their chequebook hydeparknow.uk/2019/10/16/crossrail-shenfield-to-abbey-wood-services/I cannot find a revised phased introduction on the web, but presumably someone has ordered those revised signs, as they are not the final version with the central core service. Crossrail is becoming more complicated than Brexit, and just as unresolveable! (strange that Boris Johnson's fingers have been all over both pies.) I'm not a big believer in coincidences, and I can't see these new signs and maps as anything other than firm plans when the next delay to opening the central core is announced. Let's call it a backstop plan. Canary Wharf's masters and their chequebook will be exerting a great influence, I am sure, but the infrastructure (buildings/trains/signalling) lying around unused on the Abbey Wood branch may be an even bigger one. Actually, I wonder how Canary Wharf would react to a max 10 minute frequency service being introduced: i can't see more than a part payment on that basis, maybe none at all. Interesting times: the Chinese would certainly think so! Custom House Station looks far from new and not even seen a train service yet! I hope a part service from Abbey Wood is introduced sooner rather than later.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 16, 2019 21:15:41 GMT
Crossrail is becoming more complicated than Brexit, and just as unresolveable! (strange that Boris Johnson's fingers have been all over both pies.) I'm not a big believer in coincidences, and I can't see these new signs and maps as anything other than firm plans when the next delay to opening the central core is announced. Let's call it a backstop plan. Canary Wharf's masters and their chequebook will be exerting a great influence, I am sure, but the infrastructure (buildings/trains/signalling) lying around unused on the Abbey Wood branch may be an even bigger one. Actually, I wonder how Canary Wharf would react to a max 10 minute frequency service being introduced: i can't see more than a part payment on that basis, maybe none at all. Interesting times: the Chinese would certainly think so! Custom House Station looks far from new and not even seen a train service yet! I hope a part service from Abbey Wood is introduced sooner rather than later. i think your wish will be granted.
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Post by routew15 on Oct 17, 2019 14:23:57 GMT
More oddities that are not get explained are new signs on the Shenfield line adding in Northern line at Liverpool Street (which can only be reached from the Elizabeth line platforms, not the mainline platforms) and the addition of Abbey Wood branch There is a guess in the article that trains will be operated to Liverpool Street (new platforms) then reverse to Abbey Wood (using crossovers on new line). However I vaguely remember the central core was going to be bi-directional signalled so in theory might be possible to run wrong line back to Custom House where there are also crossovers. 2 Possibilites that might be the reason: there are penalties with Canary Wharf Limited if Canary Wharf station not open by a certain date it frees up the mainline platforms 15-18 for closure of 18 and extension of 16 and 17 to take 9 car peak trains hydeparknow.uk/2019/10/16/crossrail-shenfield-to-abbey-wood-services/I cannot find a revised phased introduction on the web, but presumably someone has ordered those revised signs, as they are not the final version with the central core service. I recon the writers gone a bit overboard. At Termini' sometimes the map displays the other branch and Gidea Park is one of the Termini of the Elizabeth Line. Regarding the Liverpool Street platforms, Liverpool Street already have longer platforms, 12+ coaches fit on other platforms which could be used whilst the work commences, I recon we will have to wait and see as I believe the tunnels operate using a different type of signalling to the eastern section hence the 3 different types of signalling and the Class 345 (7 coaches) can only use the one. Greater Anglia already use the platforms that hold 12 car trains. You cannot fit all of the Peak Train Requirement into the existing platforms, hence the lower platforms (or the core) needs to be operational in order for the works to begin. One idea that is possible is open the lower platforms move 2/3 of the peak trains there and the remainder should be able to slot into GA platforms.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 17, 2019 18:40:08 GMT
I recon the writers gone a bit overboard. At Termini' sometimes the map displays the other branch and Gidea Park is one of the Termini of the Elizabeth Line. Regarding the Liverpool Street platforms, Liverpool Street already have longer platforms, 12+ coaches fit on other platforms which could be used whilst the work commences, I recon we will have to wait and see as I believe the tunnels operate using a different type of signalling to the eastern section hence the 3 different types of signalling and the Class 345 (7 coaches) can only use the one. Greater Anglia already use the platforms that hold 12 car trains. You cannot fit all of the Peak Train Requirement into the existing platforms, hence the lower platforms (or the core) needs to be operational in order for the works to begin. One idea that is possible is open the lower platforms move 2/3 of the peak trains there and the remainder should be able to slot into GA platforms. I think the issue with opening the Underground low level platforms is the fact is that it goes through Whitechapel, so you'll get a case of trains either needing to trundle to a building site or random services making a stop at Whitechapel. This could in turn then interfere with the opening of the Abbey Wood branch as both split and meet just before Whitechapel.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 17, 2019 19:49:32 GMT
Greater Anglia already use the platforms that hold 12 car trains. You cannot fit all of the Peak Train Requirement into the existing platforms, hence the lower platforms (or the core) needs to be operational in order for the works to begin. One idea that is possible is open the lower platforms move 2/3 of the peak trains there and the remainder should be able to slot into GA platforms. I think the issue with opening the Underground low level platforms is the fact is that it goes through Whitechapel, so you'll get a case of trains either needing to trundle to a building site or random services making a stop at Whitechapel. This could in turn then interfere with the opening of the Abbey Wood branch as both split and meet just before Whitechapel. Yes, but desperate times require desperate measures, and there is a mayoral election next May. If Rory Stewart got to grips with what's being going on at Crossrail/TfL (a big ask, I know) then his intervention could be interesting to the result. Of course, if Corbyn stood down/ got deposed (increasingly likely) Khan might not stand again, on the deluded basis he might become Labour leader (cf Andy Burnham.) Trains will be running ere long from Abbey Wood through Canary Wharf to ?, I'd stake my house on it.
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Post by Hassaan on Oct 17, 2019 22:44:12 GMT
I wonder how soon into 2020 it’ll be before we get a passenger trying to use contactless to/from Reading via SWR. I thought no more 345’s were being shortened (in order to release 315s from the eastern side)? I’m sure it’d go down fantastically well with Twyford and Maidenhead punters. last I heard The Eastern 7 car units are 002, 003, 005-017, 022 (but 002 is test train fitted out, not used for passengers) Rumours are 029, 038-040, 042 (and 2 or 3 others) will be shortened for Western services if signalling interface not fixed Not totally sure but I think all 70 units are built as production line was to switch to SWR units over the summer, however as some sidings eg Maidenhead and Plumstead not easily reachable at current time, some are stored somewhere up North currently. 345044, 345047 and 345049 are also 7 coaches.
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Post by Hassaan on Oct 17, 2019 23:13:47 GMT
Although TfL rail will take over the Paddington - Reading service on 15 December, it is unclear if they will be full length (9 car) trains, or reduced length (7 car). I have heard that some 9 car units are now being shortened. Nothing to do with platform lengths, but the 7-car versions are authorised to operate with single signalling system (I think it is TPWS+) and a more basic signalling interface software. I would assume if someone has authorised the deliberate shortening and earlier software then not very confident the more advanced software will be ready. So effectively have software from June 2017 (as used on interim Shenfield services) because 30 months later the proper software still not passed. Not a great move for peak hour commuters if 8 and 12 car class 387 sets are replaced by 7 car trains (even if the carriages are a bit longer) as they have far less seats. Some of the 387s are being modified for Heathrow Express (so there is currently shortage of GWR electric trains), and some have reverted to 5-car turbo (or other lengths) trains which are booked to work in Bristol area from later this Autumn. 345s will not be replacing any 12-car services as none of these stop anywhere other than Twyford or Maidenhead (and probably Slough in the new timetable). The stopping services are max 8 coaches*, but there are a few 4s dotted in the morning (including my brother's usual train 2N25 0725 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway, which is an 0825 arrival at Reading), so all 7 or 8 coaches will be welcome on the busier sections. Back in May, one of the 8-car sets was changed to a 6-car Turbo DMU, and many days often have another 6-car set out covering for a shortage of 387s. I got lucky with a blast-from-the-past on Saturday 😃😃. *The stopping service 2P63 1648 Reading to London Paddington takes 12 coaches but has last 4 locked out so is effectively an 8 on this trip, ready to be a 12 for the next working from Paddington.In other news, this Saturday 19 October has no National Rail service at all to Heathrow. TfL Rail will have 2tph terminating at Hayes & Harlington.
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Post by T.R. on Oct 24, 2019 7:54:50 GMT
MTR Crossrail are now known as MTR Elizabeth Line. Legal name remains as the former...
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Post by snowman on Oct 24, 2019 8:20:00 GMT
MTR Crossrail are now known as MTR Elizabeth Line. Legal name remains as the former... Legal name is MTR Corporation (Crossrail) Limited, a subsidary of MTR Corporation (UK) Limited
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Post by routew15 on Oct 24, 2019 22:21:53 GMT
Groundwork is taking place on the second entrance at Ilford. Completion for Spring 2020 apparently
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Post by snowman on Oct 29, 2019 19:16:37 GMT
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Post by E279 on Nov 5, 2019 11:04:35 GMT
Chadwell Heath, Goodmayes, Forest Gate, Maryland have all reicived new Elizabeth Line station signage and maps that used to be in blue indicating TFL Rail have changed to Elizabeth Line.
Seven Kings is being worked on today for station signage, I also saw a 7 car Class 345 in Ilford depot with Elizabeth Line logo on the sides rather than TFL Rail. Most staff are wearing the Elizabeth Line uniform too rather then the old TFL Rail ones.
Is TFL Rail becoming the Elizabeth Line from Dec 2019?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 5, 2019 11:21:53 GMT
Chadwell Heath, Goodmayes, Forest Gate, Maryland have all reicived new Elizabeth Line station signage and maps that used to be in blue indicating TFL Rail have changed to Elizabeth Line. Seven Kings is being worked on today for station signage, I also saw a 7 car Class 345 in Ilford depot with Elizabeth Line logo on the sides rather than TFL Rail. Most staff are wearing the Elizabeth Line uniform too rather then the old TFL Rail ones. Is TFL Rail becoming the Elizabeth Line from Dec 2019? I also notice the fast train platform signage has changed to a retro look at these stations.
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Post by E279 on Nov 5, 2019 12:31:54 GMT
Chadwell Heath, Goodmayes, Forest Gate, Maryland have all reicived new Elizabeth Line station signage and maps that used to be in blue indicating TFL Rail have changed to Elizabeth Line. Seven Kings is being worked on today for station signage, I also saw a 7 car Class 345 in Ilford depot with Elizabeth Line logo on the sides rather than TFL Rail. Most staff are wearing the Elizabeth Line uniform too rather then the old TFL Rail ones. Is TFL Rail becoming the Elizabeth Line from Dec 2019? I also notice the fast train platform signage has changed to a retro look at these stations. Yeah, the signage is an all blue sign with white writing.
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Post by M1104 on Nov 6, 2019 13:04:59 GMT
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