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Post by snowman on May 10, 2018 11:43:51 GMT
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Post by busman on May 10, 2018 13:16:03 GMT
Yep after weeks of zero activity and no meetings due to Easter and election purdah activity has now resumed at TfL towers. For next week's Programmes and Investment Cttee we have a new Crossrail update paper. Nothing hugely shocking as the juicy info is in the "private" section of the paper but reading between the lines I'll be astonished if services start in December. There does appear to be some progress with train testing between Abbey Wood and Stepney Green. The western stations rebuild is still out to tender - can't see how those works will be complete by Dec 2019 given it takes months to mobilise and get on site which means late Summer even if the contracts were awarded tomorrow. The scale of work at some locations will be considerable too. content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20180516-item11-crossrail.pdfAccording to section 3.2 of that document the first phase of the project remains on target to launch in December 2018 even taking into account hurdles along the way. Are you suggesting that Crossrail and TfL are underplaying or hiding something or is this just speculation?
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Post by snoggle on May 10, 2018 15:23:29 GMT
Yep after weeks of zero activity and no meetings due to Easter and election purdah activity has now resumed at TfL towers. For next week's Programmes and Investment Cttee we have a new Crossrail update paper. Nothing hugely shocking as the juicy info is in the "private" section of the paper but reading between the lines I'll be astonished if services start in December. There does appear to be some progress with train testing between Abbey Wood and Stepney Green. The western stations rebuild is still out to tender - can't see how those works will be complete by Dec 2019 given it takes months to mobilise and get on site which means late Summer even if the contracts were awarded tomorrow. The scale of work at some locations will be considerable too. content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-20180516-item11-crossrail.pdfAccording to section 3.2 of that document the first phase of the project remains on target to launch in December 2018 even taking into account hurdles along the way. Are you suggesting that Crossrail and TfL are underplaying or hiding something or is this just speculation? You can say I am speculating. However just to give a bit of justification I'm more than familiar with reading "TfL speak" in documents. It's clear that several sites have problems - Whitechapel is and has been behind schedule for months. The surface buildings at Moorgate and Hanover Square are nowhere near complete (note this is just for Crossrail entrances, not the over station developments). Stations were supposed to be being handed over to MTR Crossrail from May - no reference to that whatsoever. Train testing is proceeding but is months late due to the exploding substation issues at Pudding Mill Lane. They have only just energised west of Stepney because platform edge installation has only just completed which means testing as far as Paddington is delayed. TfL using the words "significant cost and schedule pressures" means "oh sh*t this is really touch and go". Terry Morgan, Crossrail Chairman, appeared at the last TfL Board meeting and was pretty blunt about where things were at. I know Terry from his days at Tube Lines - I've had my share of run ins with him when he made incorrect grandstanding statements to try to rubbish the LU side. He didn't like being corrected. Therefore I do have more than a clue about his body language and speech. What he said at the TfL Board meeting was deadly serious. Worse he was very clear that Crossrail had very little room for manoeuvre as time was running out and they'd got the very best people they could find to deal with the problems. In short - out of options! I am sure people are working extremely hard but there are fixed timescales for structures to be built, concrete to set and then finishes and services to be installed. You can't have too many trades working at once as they simply fall over each other or you end up with unsafe sites. There are also considerable risks around getting all of the station systems integrated, working and signed off. And that's assuming they work properly, aren't riddled with bugs and don't need software rewrites. Staff familiarisation and training will take weeks at best, possibly months. The BT Police, Fire Brigade and others will all need to conduct their own tests, checks and sign offs including simulated incidents and evacuations to test preparedness and processes. There will also be a series of related changes to corporate systems in TfL, National Rail and elsewhere to make sure tickets are sold properly, accounted for correctly and revenue allocated. There is also the performance measurement, passenger infomation and wayfinding activity that has to be done. Obviously a fair chunk can and will be done in advance but it still needs checking and testing. My guess is that some form of service WILL open on 9 December but it's possible that not every exit will be working or open at some stations or that finishes won't be complete in parts of some stations. That's not a disaster - after all plenty of stations have work done on them all the time. Feel free to go "yah boo, you got it wrong" come December 9th if, indeed, I am wrong .
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Post by ak121 on May 11, 2018 19:02:35 GMT
Does anyone when know when Elizabeth Line services will start running in passenger service on the GWML?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 11, 2018 19:06:20 GMT
Does anyone when know when Elizabeth Line services will start running in passenger service on the GWML? If you are after the introduction of the operator, that should be on the weekend of the 19th of this month, the services will be branded as the Elizabeth Line in 2018 with the whole service from the West running through the core in December 2019. That's the plan, although the speed in which things will actually open is anyone's guess by this point
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Post by ak121 on May 11, 2018 19:37:27 GMT
Does anyone when know when Elizabeth Line services will start running in passenger service on the GWML? If you are after the introduction of the operator, that should be on the weekend of the 19th of this month, the services will be branded as the Elizabeth Line in 2018 with the whole service from the West running through the core in December 2019. That's the plan, although the speed in which things will actually open is anyone's guess by this point OK thanks a lot:)
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Post by snowman on May 15, 2018 5:41:28 GMT
A number of big construction websites are saying that Crossrail may need £500m extra www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/crossrail-faces-500m-bailout/10031008.articleNot been following the Abbey wood end, but I think the section to Canary Wharf is OK (except Woolwich where sparkies kept striking), From what I hear Whitechapel is running late, No idea on Liverpool St, Farringdon over Station development is only just starting but stations should be finished, Tottenham Court Rd sounds ok. Bond Street over Station just starting, but second entrance at Hanover Square is months behind (probably just be emergency exit stairway through the hoardings until late 2019) Paddington should be finished. To the west some of the Station upgrades have barely started. Think most of the big work on Shenfield line is now done (but haven’t kept upto date on this). Signalling tests are incomplete and delaying Heathrow branch, so Heathrow Connect trains being rented as stopgap. Electrical testing delayed due to faulty design of Pudding Mill substation (which initially went pop). No idea if train delivery schedule is on time.
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Post by snoggle on May 15, 2018 9:19:27 GMT
A number of big construction websites are saying that Crossrail may need £500m extra www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/crossrail-faces-500m-bailout/10031008.articleNot been following the Abbey wood end, but I think the section to Canary Wharf is OK (except Woolwich where sparkies kept striking), From what I hear Whitechapel is running late, No idea on Liverpool St, Farringdon over Station development is only just starting but stations should be finished, Tottenham Court Rd sounds ok. Bond Street over Station just starting, but second entrance at Hanover Square is months behind (probably just be emergency exit stairway through the hoardings until late 2019) Paddington should be finished. To the west some of the Station upgrades have barely started. Think most of the big work on Shenfield line is now done (but haven’t kept upto date on this). Signalling tests are incomplete and delaying Heathrow branch, so Heathrow Connect trains being rented as stopgap. Electrical testing delayed due to faulty design of Pudding Mill substation (which initially went pop). No idea if train delivery schedule is on time. Abbey Wood - open but some works outstanding. Also no of local problems with flooding of gardens etc where NR ignored local advice about water courses etc Woolwich - proceeding but probably fit out behind schedule Canary Wharf - no reason it can't be ready but there was still fit out ongoing when I visited months ago Custom House - pretty much there as I've visited it. Shenfield Line - electrical wire replacement and strengthening complete. Station works dragging on. Ilford not even started. Core tunnel - energised throughout now. Signal and train testing proceeding well (Abbey Wood - Stepney). Real tests remain to cover whole line and build up to line speed running and full shadow timetable testing. Whitechapel - months late Liverpool St / Moorgate - probably OK below ground. Late above ground esp at Moorgate Farringdon / Barbican - OK below ground, ticket halls mad dash to finish. No visible progress on the link to Barbican last time I was around there - may have been descoped. TCR - OK below ground and one exit definitely ready (via Tube stn). Bond St - as you say above Hanover Sq is the nightmare Paddington - will probably be ready but there have been delays with certain trades going on strike. Western Stations - welcome to piles of rubble and nothing happening. Work has been rescoped and is being retendered. Doubtful it will be ready by Dec 2019. Western wiring, bay platforms, signalling - largely complete prior to 20 May takeover of H'row Connect. Heathrow tunnels - real problems about ETCS (used by the 345s) working beside the old BR ATP system. May not be resolved until 387s take over HEX as they don't use BR ATP. This will allow the kit to be removed meaning less risk of interference with the ETCS kit. Only the 332s and 360s can work with ATP hence the retention of the 360s by TfL in the short term
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Post by snowman on May 16, 2018 11:47:17 GMT
The Board papers contain the Commissioners Report There is a scorecard on page 7 and one is "Deliver critical infrastructure and prepare for Elizabeth line" and the full year 2017/18 was Key milestone delivery of 72.3% vs target 100% (so over quarter of Elizabeth Line key milestones have not been met in 2017/18). content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20180523-item05-commissioner-report.pdf
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Post by snoggle on May 16, 2018 12:34:25 GMT
The Board papers contain the Commissioners Report There is a scorecard on page 7 and one is "Deliver critical infrastructure and prepare for Elizabeth line" and the full year 2017/18 was Key milestone delivery of 72.3% vs target 100% (so over quarter of Elizabeth Line key milestones have not been met in 2017/18). content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20180523-item05-commissioner-report.pdf I wonder how much of that non achievement is down to Network Rail for the existing surface sections / stations and how much is related to the new section / trains / depot.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 22:30:52 GMT
Four Days to go...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 17:28:41 GMT
Class 360 with TfL Rail roundels...
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Post by Green Kitten on May 19, 2018 7:15:51 GMT
Class 360 with TfL Rail roundels... What is that horrid squeaky sound that these trains make? The North-Western railway trains also have that...
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Post by titan1mike on May 19, 2018 7:20:07 GMT
Class 360 with TfL Rail roundels... What is that horrid squeaky sound that these trains make? The North-Western railway trains also have that... Its when they pull away. The Greater Anglia class 360 also do it.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 19, 2018 7:41:30 GMT
What is that horrid squeaky sound that these trains make? The North-Western railway trains also have that... Its when they pull away. The Greater Anglia class 360 also do it. The same with all electric desiro trains (350, 360, 380, 444, 450). The ThamesLink 700s do as well, but for some reason only when on DC power (south of Farringdon).
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