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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 22, 2017 12:50:14 GMT
Well there is no surprise, the clown of London has decided to increase council tax.
Sadiq Khan proposes council tax rise across London www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42431995
People have until 12 January to comment on the mayor's proposed budget, which will then be agreed on 22 February.
But as usual, this wouldn't mean nothing, its just a sugar coating candy exercise. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 22, 2017 14:14:54 GMT
Well there is no surprise, the clown of London has decided to increase council tax.
Sadiq Khan proposes council tax rise across London www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42431995
People have until 12 January to comment on the mayor's proposed budget, which will then be agreed on 22 February.
But as usual, this wouldn't mean nothing, its just a sugar coating candy exercise. Yep, saw that on yesterday’s news - he blames the government cuts for doing the move yet what he is doing to the bus network - cutting it. The word hypocrite comes to mind? Oh and let’s not forget that the boroughs have yet to announce whether they themselves are putting up council tax so it could be even worse. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 22, 2017 15:07:58 GMT
Well there is no surprise, the clown of London has decided to increase council tax.
Sadiq Khan proposes council tax rise across London www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42431995
People have until 12 January to comment on the mayor's proposed budget, which will then be agreed on 22 February.
But as usual, this wouldn't mean nothing, its just a sugar coating candy exercise. I appreciate the Mayor is not your favourite person but we do need a little bit of context here. Theresa May, as Home Secretary, cut police funding by billions. Boris Johnson, as Mayor, slashed the Fire Brigade in a completely needless fashion and also oversaw cuts to policing and police stations. Both the Met and LFB have had billions of "efficiencies" foisted on them despite being essential emergency services and keepers of law and order. Boris Johnson also deliberately, for political purposes, cut council tax and the budget in his final year when he knew he wouldn't have to live with the consequences. He also did deals with the Chancellor that have emasculated TfL's budgets as well. Now I will readily criticise the Mayor for how he is managing TfL but I believe it is right that more money should go into the Police and Fire services. These are essential services where the front line staff risk their lifes day in, day out. To treat them shabbily is just wrong as is axeing police and fire stations and stretching response times to the limit. I don't like any of my bills going up but I don't mind paying a bit more on council tax if the incompetents in Whitehall refuse to find the money. In the old days the Tories always made sure they looked after the Police because it won them votes. Now they don't give a d*mn. £500m to change the colour of a passport to a colour it has never ever been before (cos the Sun said it had to happen) but only £450m nationally to improve police funding. If that doesn't show a distorted sense of priorities I don't know what does.  |
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Post by snowman on Dec 22, 2017 16:22:13 GMT
Here he goes again, spending somebody else's money.
I understand snoggle suggesting police need more, but perhaps Khan should hit those who are gaining, not whole of London. A local paper in Kingston discovered about 150 Kingston allocated police are being loaned out to other boroughs virtually every day. So why should we pay to subsidise other boroughs. Khan is like legendary Sheriff of Nottingham taxing us and spending elsewhere, by stealing the police from the area allocated and paying for them.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 22, 2017 19:06:44 GMT
Here he goes again, spending somebody else's money. I understand snoggle suggesting police need more, but perhaps Khan should hit those who are gaining, not whole of London. A local paper in Kingston discovered about 150 Kingston allocated police are being loaned out to other boroughs virtually every day. So why should we pay to subsidise other boroughs. Khan is like legendary Sheriff of Nottingham taxing us and spending elsewhere, by stealing the police from the area allocated and paying for them. Surely your example shows that the Met resourcing level is far too low relative to the demands being placed on the service? You may be unhappy that officers are being "nicked" from the Borough of Kingston upon Thames but that just shows other areas don't have the resources they need or that specific investigation branches are under resourced. The only way you fix this is that you have *more* resource effectively and efficiently deployed. Sorry to state the obvious but you can only squeeze public services so far before they start to fail. I am afraid that that is exactly where we are at with Met, the LFB, the Ambulance service, the NHS more widely and local authorities. All the fat has gone - that's far enough. Once you still trimming away the actual physical muscle and skeleton you're in trouble. |
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Post by busman on Dec 22, 2017 19:07:23 GMT
Central government cuts funding and instead has funding decisions devolved to local government. Classic decentralisation of government which has been a trademark of Conservative policy for years. At the end of the day funding needs to be increased for the police force. The funding will be provided by the public either through central or local government taxes. I think a devolved model is a fairer system as each area pays for the local resource it needs. I don’t think the mayor can be criticised for increasing local taxes in this situation. But in the same breath he also can’t complain about central government cuts because they have given him powers to raise additional funds to plug the shortfall.
For me the jury is still out on Sadiq Khan. His hopper fare and fare freeze policy has compounded the funding crisis facing TfL. BoJo was terrible, but at this moment in time I don’t see Khan fairing any better.
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Post by sid on Dec 22, 2017 19:24:04 GMT
Central government cuts funding and instead has funding decisions devolved to local government. Classic decentralisation of government which has been a trademark of Conservative policy for years. At the end of the day funding needs to be increased for the police force. The funding will be provided by the public either through central or local government taxes. I think a devolved model is a fairer system as each area pays for the local resource it needs. I don’t think the mayor can be criticised for increasing local taxes in this situation. But in the same breath he also can’t complain about central government cuts because they have given him powers to raise additional funds to plug the shortfall. For me the jury is still out on Sadiq Khan. His hopper fare and fare freeze policy has compounded the funding crisis facing TfL. BoJo was terrible, but at this moment in time I don’t see Khan fairing any better. The fare freeze was in his manifesto as was hopper fare and I don't see any likelihood of it being withdrawn now. I don't see how bojo was terrible either. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 23, 2017 2:21:15 GMT
Well there is no surprise, the clown of London has decided to increase council tax.
Sadiq Khan proposes council tax rise across London www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42431995
People have until 12 January to comment on the mayor's proposed budget, which will then be agreed on 22 February.
But as usual, this wouldn't mean nothing, its just a sugar coating candy exercise. I appreciate the Mayor is not your favourite person but we do need a little bit of context here. Theresa May, as Home Secretary, cut police funding by billions. Boris Johnson, as Mayor, slashed the Fire Brigade in a completely needless fashion and also oversaw cuts to policing and police stations. Both the Met and LFB have had billions of "efficiencies" foisted on them despite being essential emergency services and keepers of law and order. Boris Johnson also deliberately, for political purposes, cut council tax and the budget in his final year when he knew he wouldn't have to live with the consequences. He also did deals with the Chancellor that have emasculated TfL's budgets as well. Now I will readily criticise the Mayor for how he is managing TfL but I believe it is right that more money should go into the Police and Fire services. These are essential services where the front line staff risk their lifes day in, day out. To treat them shabbily is just wrong as is axeing police and fire stations and stretching response times to the limit. I don't like any of my bills going up but I don't mind paying a bit more on council tax if the incompetents in Whitehall refuse to find the money. In the old days the Tories always made sure they looked after the Police because it won them votes. Now they don't give a d*mn. £500m to change the colour of a passport to a colour it has never ever been before (cos the Sun said it had to happen) but only £450m nationally to improve police funding. If that doesn't show a distorted sense of priorities I don't know what does. oh because they risk their lives day in and day out, means we must through a blank cheque at them?? Sorry I don't believe that. yes some cuts were a bit too much, but there has been many cases of stupidity within the law that in effect has wasted time with police resources and full of red tape. Criminals never had it so good. |
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Post by john on Dec 23, 2017 10:25:50 GMT
I don't see why everyone is getting up in a state over this. Surely, based on the number of households within the London area, any rise in council tax will be a couple of quid a month. Yes I know some will struggle to find thay and I feel for them, I truly do. However, surely the safety of others is paramount and if council tax rises are the only way to ensure our emergency services are funded properly, then so be it. I don't want another Grenfell only for the fire brigade to take 10 minutes longer and no one survives. I'm still waiting on my increase from Thurrock. No doubt they will take the Michael out their residents.. ...as always!! As for snowman, the comment about loaning staff. It happens in every industry in the country. Hell it happens everyday in the industry we sit here and discuss, how is it so shocking or disgraceful that it happens in the police too?? My brother in law works at Forest Gate. Many times he's been redeployed elsewhere in East London. It's all for the good of London and that's what is the most important thing. Consistency around the capital to keep it as safe as possible. |
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Post by busman on Dec 23, 2017 16:12:06 GMT
john £14.20 a year is the cost per household I believe. Hardly going to break the bank, even for the poorest households.
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Post by john on Dec 23, 2017 16:14:13 GMT
john £14.20 a year is the cost per household I believe. Hardly going to break the bank, even for the poorest households. Yeah so roughly £1.10 a month with out actually working it out. Added to everything else, It's not ideal but something I don't mind paying compared to other expenses |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 23, 2017 18:51:39 GMT
I don't see why everyone is getting up in a state over this. Surely, based on the number of households within the London area, any rise in council tax will be a couple of quid a month. Yes I know some will struggle to find thay and I feel for them, I truly do. However, surely the safety of others is paramount and if council tax rises are the only way to ensure our emergency services are funded properly, then so be it. I don't want another Grenfell only for the fire brigade to take 10 minutes longer and no one survives. I'm still waiting on my increase from Thurrock. No doubt they will take the Michael out their residents.. ...as always!! As for snowman, the comment about loaning staff. It happens in every industry in the country. Hell it happens everyday in the industry we sit here and discuss, how is it so shocking or disgraceful that it happens in the police too?? My brother in law works at Forest Gate. Many times he's been redeployed elsewhere in East London. It's all for the good of London and that's what is the most important thing. Consistency around the capital to keep it as safe as possible. My main gripe was more to do with Sadiq’s hyprocrisy regarding blaming the government (I’m far from a fan of the Tories, let me make that clear) for the cuts but yet he is cutting the transport network. |
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Post by londonbuses2018 on May 14, 2018 10:24:26 GMT
Is Khan mad half the councils are Conservative try getting that past misses May.
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Post by snoggle on May 14, 2018 11:36:45 GMT
Is Khan mad half the councils are Conservative try getting that past misses May. The government allows local authorities to increase council tax. They are also allowed to add a further increase in respect of social care costs. Nothing to do with what other councils do - the Mayor has freedom to increase council tax within the constraints set by government. It is the government's own policies that have created the need for council tax increases - nigh on a decade of austerity imposed cuts have meant councils are on extremely tight budgets. A number of local authorities - most Tory run - are near to financial collapse. Last week the government had to send in commissioners to run Northamptonshire County Council for three years because of the financial mess the council is in. That council has basically followed all the government's rules but the demands on it exceed its finances. |
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