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Post by John tuthill on Feb 13, 2018 14:27:38 GMT
What's that old saying about eggs and baskets?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 13, 2018 16:31:34 GMT
"Wrightbus have failed to get a suitably attractive electric single decker out to the market" I don't know to much about the Streetair, but if it is good enough to Lothian to order a batch ... that comment maybe a little unfair ... Just like the original statement Fair comment about the Lothian buses. I'd forgotten those but it's only 10 small vehicles. However the point still remains that a) the product doesn't seem attractive for London despite obvious TfL pressure to get a competitive supply market for zero emission single deckers. b) there seems to be a strategic reluctance on the part of Wrightbus to partner with anyone else on new propulsion technology in terms of a chassis (other than Volvo). As things stand ADL seem to be doing much better having teamed up with ADL - several different companies have ordered electric single deckers. Wrights seem focused just on component level partnerships and then making their own designs which inevitably takes time. Imagine what Wrights might be achieving if they had partnered with BYD or Yutong? c) it is distinctly odd that Metroline would swap a pretty large order for Volvo double deckers to, for them, an untried supplier MCV. I have no evidence at all to support my musings but I do find it a very odd change given hundreds of Volvo / Wright deckers have been supplied to Metroline *and* Metroline has been a pretty willing operator of the NB4L too. What has gone wrong given Metroline have been more than happy to have a single supplier choice for several years?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 13, 2018 16:38:03 GMT
"Wrightbus have failed to get a suitably attractive electric single decker out to the market" I don't know to much about the Streetair, but if it is good enough to Lothian to order a batch ... that comment maybe a little unfair ... Just like the original statement Fair comment about the Lothian buses. I'd forgotten those but it's only 10 small vehicles. However the point still remains that a) the product doesn't seem attractive for London despite obvious TfL pressure to get a competitive supply market for zero emission single deckers. b) there seems to be a strategic reluctance on the part of Wrightbus to partner with anyone else on new propulsion technology in terms of a chassis (other than Volvo). As things stand ADL seem to be doing much better having teamed up with ADL - several different companies have ordered electric single deckers. Wrights seem focused just on component level partnerships and then making their own designs which inevitably takes time. Imagine what Wrights might be achieving if they had partnered with BYD or Yutong? c) it is distinctly odd that Metroline would swap a pretty large order for Volvo double deckers to, for them, an untried supplier MCV. I have no evidence at all to support my musings but I do find it a very odd change given hundreds of Volvo / Wright deckers have been supplied to Metroline *and* Metroline has been a pretty willing operator of the NB4L too. What has gone wrong given Metroline have been more than happy to have a single supplier choice for several years? I wonder if the late entry into service of all these frogs has something to do with it. I do remember reading somewhere Metroline weren't too happy with what they were getting from that batch hence all the extra checks. I also wonder what Metroline make of being indirectly blamed for Wrightbus' redundancies, I don't think it's made management at Metroline very happy either. I don't think they can be aiming that comment at GAL considering their last order for EvoSetis was the 22 and since then they've taken on a handful of Geminis. As for the competition from China that's their fault for not keeping up with the game. Another thing I also don't get with blaming the outsourcing to China and Egypt is the fact ADL seem to be doing pretty well for themselves with orders from all over the country as of late.
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Post by snowman on Feb 13, 2018 18:17:07 GMT
"Wrightbus have failed to get a suitably attractive electric single decker out to the market" I don't know to much about the Streetair, but if it is good enough to Lothian to order a batch ... that comment maybe a little unfair ... Just like the original statement Fair comment about the Lothian buses. I'd forgotten those but it's only 10 small vehicles. However the point still remains that a) the product doesn't seem attractive for London despite obvious TfL pressure to get a competitive supply market for zero emission single deckers. b) there seems to be a strategic reluctance on the part of Wrightbus to partner with anyone else on new propulsion technology in terms of a chassis (other than Volvo). As things stand ADL seem to be doing much better having teamed up with ADL - several different companies have ordered electric single deckers. Wrights seem focused just on component level partnerships and then making their own designs which inevitably takes time. Imagine what Wrights might be achieving if they had partnered with BYD or Yutong? c) it is distinctly odd that Metroline would swap a pretty large order for Volvo double deckers to, for them, an untried supplier MCV. I have no evidence at all to support my musings but I do find it a very odd change given hundreds of Volvo / Wright deckers have been supplied to Metroline *and* Metroline has been a pretty willing operator of the NB4L too. What has gone wrong given Metroline have been more than happy to have a single supplier choice for several years? Lothian only have 6 Streetair and are expecting another 5 during 2018 (used one route 1) and partly funded by Scottish Green bus fund The agreement announced at bus expo 2016 was a framework agreement for upto 316 buses, not a definite order. I suspect the approx 50 ex London buses have been knocked off the framework as it is alternative way to meet bus 2020 age/emissions
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Post by vjaska on Feb 13, 2018 18:49:17 GMT
Fair comment about the Lothian buses. I'd forgotten those but it's only 10 small vehicles. However the point still remains that a) the product doesn't seem attractive for London despite obvious TfL pressure to get a competitive supply market for zero emission single deckers. b) there seems to be a strategic reluctance on the part of Wrightbus to partner with anyone else on new propulsion technology in terms of a chassis (other than Volvo). As things stand ADL seem to be doing much better having teamed up with ADL - several different companies have ordered electric single deckers. Wrights seem focused just on component level partnerships and then making their own designs which inevitably takes time. Imagine what Wrights might be achieving if they had partnered with BYD or Yutong? c) it is distinctly odd that Metroline would swap a pretty large order for Volvo double deckers to, for them, an untried supplier MCV. I have no evidence at all to support my musings but I do find it a very odd change given hundreds of Volvo / Wright deckers have been supplied to Metroline *and* Metroline has been a pretty willing operator of the NB4L too. What has gone wrong given Metroline have been more than happy to have a single supplier choice for several years? I wonder if the late entry into service of all these frogs has something to do with it. I do remember reading somewhere Metroline weren't too happy with what they were getting from that batch hence all the extra checks. I also wonder what Metroline make of being indirectly blamed for Wrightbus' redundancies, I don't think it's made management at Metroline very happy either. I don't think they can be aiming that comment at GAL considering their last order for EvoSetis was the 22 and since then they've taken on a handful of Geminis. As for the competition from China that's their fault for not keeping up with the game. Another thing I also don't get with blaming the outsourcing to China and Egypt is the fact ADL seem to be doing pretty well for themselves with orders from all over the country as of late. In regards to the blaming outsourcing thing, it’s not a new thing to blame something or someone foreign when your own business is struggling - it’s not big or clever. As you say, ADL are a British bus builder but are competing very well with the competition so clearly they’ve found successful ways to operate such as the BYD partnership. Many enthusiasts are also guilty at taking unnecessary pops at foreign bus builders such as MCV as they are blinded by the need to have everything built by a British bus builder.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 13, 2018 20:57:50 GMT
"Wrightbus have failed to get a suitably attractive electric single decker out to the market" I don't know to much about the Streetair, but if it is good enough to Lothian to order a batch ... that comment maybe a little unfair ... Just like the original statement Fair comment about the Lothian buses. I'd forgotten those but it's only 10 small vehicles. However the point still remains that a) the product doesn't seem attractive for London despite obvious TfL pressure to get a competitive supply market for zero emission single deckers. b) there seems to be a strategic reluctance on the part of Wrightbus to partner with anyone else on new propulsion technology in terms of a chassis (other than Volvo). As things stand ADL seem to be doing much better having teamed up with ADL - several different companies have ordered electric single deckers. Wrights seem focused just on component level partnerships and then making their own designs which inevitably takes time. Imagine what Wrights might be achieving if they had partnered with BYD or Yutong? c) it is distinctly odd that Metroline would swap a pretty large order for Volvo double deckers to, for them, an untried supplier MCV. I have no evidence at all to support my musings but I do find it a very odd change given hundreds of Volvo / Wright deckers have been supplied to Metroline *and* Metroline has been a pretty willing operator of the NB4L too. What has gone wrong given Metroline have been more than happy to have a single supplier choice for several years? Think that was meant to be BYD...
As for Metroline going MCV, a few London operators have got repeat orders so I guess they would get feedback from them. Also they did previously have MCV single deckers. Wrightbus have had an electric single deck based on the SB120 over 10 years and should have really been at the forefront. A few years back ADL lost a lot of orders to Wrightbus with there LT contract, more Gemini 2's flooding the market and Wrightbus Streetlite poaching a lot of Dart E200 potential orders.
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