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Post by sid on May 4, 2018 9:18:28 GMT
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Post by rmz19 on May 4, 2018 11:49:37 GMT
So what will happen to all the night bus routes that provide the links that trains don't during the night? Is it really worth investing in 24 hour train services? |
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Post by SILENCED on May 4, 2018 11:57:39 GMT
So what will happen to all the night bus routes that provide the links that trains don't during the night? Is it really worth investing in 24 hour train services? As long as they extend the East London Line weekend night service to West Croydon ... kind of negates the omission of a night bus route. I will be happy with that! |
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Post by sid on May 4, 2018 12:27:44 GMT
So what will happen to all the night bus routes that provide the links that trains don't during the night? Is it really worth investing in 24 hour train services? As long as they extend the East London Line weekend night service to West Croydon ... kind of negates the omission of a night bus route. I will be happy with that! I totally agree about the ELL but I think it might be better going to East Croydon rather than West Croydon at night? Also the North London line. Charing Cross to Orpington seems an obvious one with four tracks pretty much all the way, about 30 minutes end to end rather than 90 minutes on the N199. Obviously there would be night bus reductions but hopefully more services to and from suburban stations, a night service on the 51 for example as it serves quite a few stations. Maybe beyond London as well? I'd have thought that there would be enough demand for a 24 hour service from Euston to Birmingham and Manchester for example? |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 17:41:18 GMT
As long as they extend the East London Line weekend night service to West Croydon ... kind of negates the omission of a night bus route. I will be happy with that! I totally agree about the ELL but I think it might be better going to East Croydon rather than West Croydon at night? Also the North London line. Charing Cross to Orpington seems an obvious one with four tracks pretty much all the way, about 30 minutes end to end rather than 90 minutes on the N199. Obviously there would be night bus reductions but hopefully more services to and from suburban stations, a night service on the 51 for example as it serves quite a few stations. Maybe beyond London as well? I'd have thought that there would be enough demand for a 24 hour service from Euston to Birmingham and Manchester for example? SWR between Waterloo and Surbiton, all stations, would be good as well. |
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Post by 700101 on May 4, 2018 19:52:32 GMT
If the Thameslink service runs overnight via LBG it should call at New Cross Gate & Norwood Junction as this would be great to aid the ELL if it does get extended to West Croydon or better run to East Croydon and provide decent interchange.
As mentioned above the two track railway up to Orpington should be taken advantage off, if demand is not enough up to Orpington then running as far as Hither Green would still be great so it could turn back as Lewisham and New Cross would benefit highly from this sort or service.
The Hayes line will probably have to wait for the Bakerloo line to be extended if that ever happens
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Post by snoggle on May 4, 2018 20:27:59 GMT
I am afraid I am going to take that article with a massive pinch of salt. Firstly Carne is leaving so whatever he says now is irrelevant because a successor can refute it. Easy to make promises you don't have to keep. Secondly the TOCs aren't his customers really. DfT control the purse strings and specify the service. If DfT don't want 24 hour services they won't run - simple as that. Finally to make a 24 hour service run reliably you need a big change to maintenance routines. Network Rail can't manage to run evening services or Sunday services each week / weekend in any given month due to maintenance blockouts. Until they can get rid of that need and provide earlier, later and more frequent evening and Sunday services it strikes me as utterly pointless to have more 24 hour services. Far too many routes have maintenance backlogs - a lot of the South Eastern network, Brighton Main Line, probably much of inner South London routes. This means Network Rail will need MORE track access time / possessions to deal with the poor asset quality that will affect peak and daytime services.
It is noteworthy that TfL are running 24 hour services on a bit of railway they largely own and where they manage the infrastructure maintenance - the ELL. Note that they can't run on NR metals because the maintenance regime gets in the way. There needs to be a huge improvement in the competence of the DfT (far, far too many huge issues looming which can be traced back to their inability to plan and specify properly) and also in Network Rail's efficiency. NR have not managed to meet externally imposed efficiency metrics for several control periods, their costs are not under control and their funding is compromised for at least the next decade. There need to be massive massive changes and I don't see anyone who has the vision to set out a new way of doing things and to find the money to deliver them. Grayling certainly isn't the right SoS for such a venture.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 5, 2018 16:39:40 GMT
I wonder if there will be 24 hour services eventually proposed on Friday/Saturday nights on the Abbey Wood - Paddington section of Crossrail?
For reasons snoggle has listed above, I can’t see the rest of the line being so treated.
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Post by snoggle on May 5, 2018 19:41:05 GMT
I wonder if there will be 24 hour services eventually proposed on Friday/Saturday nights on the Abbey Wood - Paddington section of Crossrail? For reasons snoggle has listed above, I can’t see the rest of the line being so treated. I expect they will offer 24 hour services on the Crossrail core but only once the service has settled down and they've "debugged" the infrastructure. Things are bound to fail and go wrong in the first few months - usual "infant mortality" issues with systems and components. I'd expect it to be in place sometime in early to mid 2019 or else be a Mayoral election pledge for post May 2020. Again it makes sense to get the full through service on Crossrail up and running properly post Dec 2019 before trying to hurredly add a night service. It all really hinges on how well or badly each phase of Crossrail beds in and whether the service runs reliably. While I want Crossrail to be a success we are now in the hardest part of the project and I really can't some stations being ready for December this year never mind the signalling etc. As I've said in a separate thread I can see this December's deadline being missed in terms of a full core service running. There may be some sort of "demonstration" service with some ticket halls not available for use but access via other parts of stations. This may allow some sort of notional "achievement" of the target date but no one will be fooled by that. |
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Post by 700101 on May 5, 2018 19:51:07 GMT
I think the opportunity should be taken for all London Airports having trains running 24/7, Gatwick & Luton Airports benefit from this already (the latter shuts Sat Night/Sun early morning)
The Elizabeth line could run between Paddington - Heathrow weeknights and through to Shenfield/Abbey Wood Weekend Nights.
The Stanstead Express could run hourly throughout the night non-stop on weeknights with it stopping at Tottenham Hale (or Seven Sisters if engineering works are happening) & increasing to half hourly on weekend nights for interchange with the Victoria Line
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Post by redexpress on May 6, 2018 0:48:43 GMT
A 24-hour service to Brighton - as an extension of the existing 24-hour services to Three Bridges - wouldn't be a bad start if we're looking beyond London.
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Post by londonbuses2018 on May 6, 2018 12:13:12 GMT
I hope this includes Crossrail aka the Liz Line since it goes to Heathrow so I hope it goes 24/7
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