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Post by paul55 on Jun 13, 2018 21:22:01 GMT
The London Borough Of Waltham Forest has opened consultation about changes to road layouts around Selborne Road and Hoe Street at Walthamstow Central Station. This includes bus stopping arrangements in the area. Walthamstow town centre transport and bus service improvementsThe following proposals are included: The removal of bus routes 97 and 357 from the bus station. Routes 97 and 357 to set down and pick up passengers on Hoe Street. The removal of bus stop AP from outside Walthamstow Central Station, meaning that passengers would not be set down on Selborne Road but would continue into Walthamstow Bus Station. The LBWF document provides a link to Transport For London's consultation on the bus changes but that does not launch until 22nd June 2018.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 14, 2018 0:00:32 GMT
The London Borough Of Waltham Forest has opened consultation about changes to road layouts around Selborne Road and Hoe Street at Walthamstow Central Station. This includes bus stopping arrangements in the area. Walthamstow town centre transport and bus service improvementsThe following proposals are included: The removal of bus routes 97 and 357 from the bus station. Routes 97 and 357 to set down and pick up passengers on Hoe Street. The removal of bus stop AP from outside Walthamstow Central Station, meaning that passengers would not be set down on Selborne Road but would continue into Walthamstow Bus Station. The LBWF document provides a link to Transport For London's consultation on the bus changes but that does not launch until 22nd June 2018. Good grief what a load of utter, utter rubbish dressed up in the finest "BS" language you can find. People wanting Leyton or Chingford have to plump for a stop on Hoe St or the bus station in order to get half the service they get today. And as for dumping everyone in the bus station rather than on the current layby. These clowns clearly have NO idea how people use buses in Walthamstow. A whole load of interchange options are worsened as a result of these proposals and heaven help you if you are old, encumbered or disabled and need to get a 97 or 357 under these proposals. If I could find the "poo" emoji I would insert 1 million of them right here.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jun 14, 2018 6:32:07 GMT
The London Borough Of Waltham Forest has opened consultation about changes to road layouts around Selborne Road and Hoe Street at Walthamstow Central Station. This includes bus stopping arrangements in the area. Walthamstow town centre transport and bus service improvementsThe following proposals are included: The removal of bus routes 97 and 357 from the bus station. Routes 97 and 357 to set down and pick up passengers on Hoe Street. The removal of bus stop AP from outside Walthamstow Central Station, meaning that passengers would not be set down on Selborne Road but would continue into Walthamstow Bus Station. The LBWF document provides a link to Transport For London's consultation on the bus changes but that does not launch until 22nd June 2018. Good grief what a load of utter, utter rubbish dressed up in the finest "BS" language you can find. People wanting Leyton or Chingford have to plump for a stop on Hoe St or the bus station in order to get half the service they get today. And as for dumping everyone in the bus station rather than on the current layby. These clowns clearly have NO idea how people use buses in Walthamstow. A whole load of interchange options are worsened as a result of these proposals and heaven help you if you are old, encumbered or disabled and need to get a 97 or 357 under these proposals. If I could find the "poo" emoji I would insert 1 million of them right here. Just copy and paste 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
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Post by T.R. on Jun 14, 2018 10:35:36 GMT
Why are these branded as "improvements"? Because they don't seem to be.
Okay, it does speed up 97/357 but at the cost of removing a major interchange stop.
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Post by redexpress on Jun 14, 2018 12:38:57 GMT
The removal of bus stop AP from outside Walthamstow Central Station, meaning that passengers would not be set down on Selborne Road but would continue into Walthamstow Bus Station.
I think what they meant to say here is "meaning that passengers will now make use of the emergency door controls while the bus is waiting at the lights instead of having the driver open the door for them".
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Post by vjaska on Jun 14, 2018 13:12:14 GMT
Looks like Waltham Forest should be renamed Awful Forest because they seem happy to implement awful changes to do little to improve virtually anything.
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Post by busaholic on Jun 14, 2018 16:33:49 GMT
Looks like Waltham Forest should be renamed Awful Forest because they seem happy to implement awful changes to do little to improve virtually anything. A Forest in which they certainly appear unable to see the wood for the trees, to put it at its most polite, which is probably undeserved.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 14, 2018 17:23:25 GMT
Why are these branded as "improvements"? Because they don't seem to be. Okay, it does speed up 97/357 but at the cost of removing a major interchange stop. Anyone who is remotely familiar with bus usage in Walthamstow will know these changes are a disaster waiting to happen. The loss of the "arrival" bus lane and setting down point and it only being replaced by a tiny "turn right" filter lane means buses will block back across the junction all day long. This means people will be stuck on buses for 10-15 mins within centimetres of the entrance of the station. They'll go bezerk and rightly so. There are 4 sets of traffic lights in and around the town centre which are all time co-ordinated to ensure that the area doesn't gridlock. When they get out of synch the bus service falls to bits. I can't foresee how this revised junction layout and traffic light timings will work even with 23 bus movements per hour diverted away from the bus station. The other factor is buses arriving at the bus station. Presently the arrivals stop, near the entrance to the bus station, can get overloaded with vehicles even though some buses have lowish numbers alighting as they've got off at the other side of the road. In future the dwell time at the bus station arrival stop will be vastly longer than now resulting in longer queues and buses potentially blocking back into Selborne Road. From both an operational and customer service viewpoint these proposals are disastrous. I am half minded to start a campaign to ensure the consultation response is 99% negative.
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Post by zebedee104 on Jun 14, 2018 18:07:58 GMT
As a fellow resident of LBWF I'm sick to death of em. I can walk faster now from Midland Road to Walthamstow Central, and don't even bother getting the bus anymore.
And this proposal is another idiotic one. The other thing is that if buses drop off solely in the Bus Station the ticket gates at the Underground level probably wouldn't cope as there's only three (?) barriers down there. If several buses arrive at once, as they're prone to doing, it'll be very congested.
And what a pain in the bum for people going towards Leyton. Half the service in the bus station, the other half on the bridge. That'll be unpleasant as well (sorry, just noticed you'd said that already Snoggle!).
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Post by snowman on Jun 22, 2018 12:10:31 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jun 22, 2018 16:36:12 GMT
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Post by zebedee104 on Jun 22, 2018 16:59:42 GMT
I've managed to write a very polite reply (yes really). Don't think I've ever written so much back on a TfL consultation.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 22, 2018 17:59:50 GMT
Why is the 257 shown as going down the full length of Selborne Road?
I feel like no matter the response they get this is going ahead.
Instead of rerouting the 97 & 357 direct along Hoe Street, it would be nice to see LBWF & TfL be ambitious in making Selborne Road Bus , Cycle & Taxi only between the bus station and Hoe Street
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Post by zebedee104 on Jun 22, 2018 18:04:22 GMT
Because ... shock horror ... TfL has made a mistake. Heaven forbid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 19:36:12 GMT
I hope these works if they go ahead are a bit quicker than the current works at Hoe St/Selborne Walk - the constant bus jam towards the station from Lee Bridge road is a joke.
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