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Post by routew15 on Jul 24, 2018 12:12:15 GMT
I hope nothing comes of this action. Further delays to new Piccadilly line trains will be extremely frustrating
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Post by snowman on Jul 24, 2018 13:02:49 GMT
I hope nothing comes of this action. Further delays to new Piccadilly line trains will be extremely frustrating It would seem that action is being taken for procurement irregularities. If there are delays it would be due to lawyers, failing to ensure process was followed (and no one gets involved in £1Bn contracts without having expensive lawyers checking things)
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Post by snoggle on Jul 24, 2018 15:08:51 GMT
I hope nothing comes of this action. Further delays to new Piccadilly line trains will be extremely frustrating It would seem that action is being taken for procurement irregularities. If there are delays it would be due to lawyers, failing to ensure process was followed (and no one gets involved in £1Bn contracts without having expensive lawyers checking things) Eh? Lawyers don't sit on in every part of a large tender assessment process. The breach could have been anywhere in the process from not responding properly to bidder queries to challenges over the engineering assessment of the bid. Lawyers don't negotiate these bids as they do not have the required competence. They have an involvement but aren't responsible for the overall scoring of a bid. Clearly they will be keen to ensure contracted terms and conditions are "correct" but they do not have an overall procurement accountability. Well not in my experience of two very large procurement exercises.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jul 29, 2018 12:25:21 GMT
Second LinkNever knew a company can sue a tenderer for not choosing them Wonder how it will turn out
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Post by snoggle on Jul 29, 2018 14:11:02 GMT
Second LinkNever knew a company can sue a tenderer for not choosing them Wonder how it will turn out Of course they can challenge a decision. This is why I get so exasperated with some of the comments on here about "dodgy" or "predictable" contract awards for TfL bus services. The rules on this stuff are pretty strict and have potentially large consequences if organisations get things wrong. It's why procurement processes / bid evaluation have to be done very thoroughly in strictly controlled conditions. Clearly the Picc Line award is a huge deal with a lot of money and future work at stake. I can only assume TfL have done the process correctly and will defend their decision. There are really only two outcomes - win or lose. If Bombardier lose then they've wasted some cash on the legal challenge but they've also lost decades of potential work. If they win then it's unlikely they will be granted the contract. More likely is that TfL will be forced to re-run all or part of the procurement process. That delays the trains and also the later resignalling element of the upgrade. It's a highly undesirable situation given the Picc Line upgrade is already a decade late and the current service is not very robust. It also poses risks to other investment because TfL simply doesn't have the money to run another procurement process - something will be have to cut to find the money. Other line upgrades will also be delayed - Bakerloo and Central if this Picc Line challenge proves long winded.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 27, 2018 12:09:49 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Aug 27, 2018 17:59:36 GMT
Oh dear. This is turning into a real disaster for TfL and Piccadilly Line passengers. Two sets of legal challenges to fight off - that's going to cost a pretty penny. There must also be a risk now to the award of the resignalling contract which is due next year. TfL must be running round trying to make sure there are no cock ups going on with that procurement process. Still this is what happens when you sack lots of experienced staff and throw the organisation into chaos.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 27, 2018 18:22:15 GMT
Oh dear. This is turning into a real disaster for TfL and Piccadilly Line passengers. Two sets of legal challenges to fight off - that's going to cost a pretty penny. There must also be a risk now to the award of the resignalling contract which is due next year. TfL must be running round trying to make sure there are no cock ups going on with that procurement process. Still this is what happens when you sack lots of experienced staff and throw the organisation into chaos. Not to mention that if the court decision goes in the favour of Bombardier, Hitachi or Alstom then TfL will probably have to run the whole thing all again which could take months, or more likely years. I wonder if by the end of this if the 1973 stock will even manage to be running a full service on the line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 18:27:21 GMT
Oh dear. This is turning into a real disaster for TfL and Piccadilly Line passengers. Two sets of legal challenges to fight off - that's going to cost a pretty penny. There must also be a risk now to the award of the resignalling contract which is due next year. TfL must be running round trying to make sure there are no cock ups going on with that procurement process. Still this is what happens when you sack lots of experienced staff and throw the organisation into chaos. Not to mention that if the court decision goes in the favour of Bombardier, Hitachi or Alstom then TfL will probably have to run the whole thing all again which could take months, or more likely years. I wonder if by the end of this if the 1973 stock will even manage to be running a full service on the line. They seldom run a full service now pmsl
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 2, 2018 20:15:21 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Nov 2, 2018 22:48:29 GMT
Interesting news. I'm struggling to understand how the unsuccessful bidders can sue LU for "damages". They've not incurred any losses or reputational harm - assuming LU made clear in the tendering documentation that bidding costs are the responsibility of each bidder and no claim for recovery of bidding costs would be entertained under any circumstances. I wonder if LU will actually sign the contract imminently or if they will wait.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 11:18:42 GMT
Richard Clinnick from Rail has reported that TfL have finally signed the deal with Siemens for 94 Deep Level tube trains, to enter traffic from 2023.
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Post by snowman on Nov 20, 2018 14:33:29 GMT
Richard Clinnick from Rail has reported that TfL have finally signed the deal with Siemens for 94 Deep Level tube trains, to enter traffic from 2023. Press announcement from Siemens in Munich they are based on Inspiro platform The full Press release suggests that increase to 27 trains per hour will not be until 2026 so its likely that most will be delivered during 2024-2025 (or maybe running on to 2026)
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 20, 2018 17:42:19 GMT
Bombardier could just get on with sorting out trains for GOBLIN and West Anglia lines if they have nothing else to do at the moment It's a tender bid - you can't all win together, it's not an inclusive primary school Hopefully, they will be delivered on time - they are crying out for new trains on the Piccadilly for sure, as there's currently a shortage (getting worn out I guess)
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Post by snowman on Nov 20, 2018 18:41:09 GMT
Bombardier could just get on with sorting out trains for GOBLIN and West Anglia lines if they have nothing else to do at the moment It's a tender bid - you can't all win together, it's not an inclusive primary school Hopefully, they will be delivered on time - they are crying out for new trains on the Piccadilly for sure, as there's currently a shortage (getting worn out I guess) I think current shortage is the Autumn leaf wheel flat thing again, the Piccadilly line stock is very prone to locked wheels They have cut some trees since the massive problems 3 or 4 years ago, but still plenty of leaves land on tracks
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