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Post by uakari on Jul 13, 2018 23:10:24 GMT
Why is there a '65 night only' instead of an N65?
Why does the 84 only serve stops A and C on Barnet High Street whereas the 626 serves stops A, C, D and J?
Why do most circular services change their blinds part way through the route but the H2 only says 'Golders Green' all the way through (you have to know it's going to Hampstead Garden Suburb)?
Why does the B12 reverse direction round Joyden's Wood after a certain time of day?
Then there is the anomaly of the 328 and 139 only serving stop F Hendon Way outside the morning peak (I imagine this is to give them longer to get in the right-hand lane for West Hampstead).
And of course all the ticketing anomalies for non-TfL routes and whether and where they will accept Oyster. Is the 812 still established as being the only non-TfL route wholly within London that appears on bus stop flags?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2018 23:31:03 GMT
Why is there a '65 night only' instead of an N65? Why does the 84 only serve stops A and C on Barnet High Street whereas the 626 serves stops A, C, D and J? Why do most circular services change their blinds part way through the route but the H2 only says 'Golders Green' all the way through (you have to know it's going to Hampstead Garden Suburb)? Why does the B12 reverse direction round Joyden's Wood after a certain time of day? Then there is the anomaly of the 328 and 139 only serving stop F Hendon Way outside the morning peak (I imagine this is to give them longer to get in the right-hand lane for West Hampstead). And of course all the ticketing anomalies for non-TfL routes and whether and where they will accept Oyster. Is the 812 still established as being the only non-TfL route wholly within London that appears on bus stop flags? The H2, H3 & 631 Solos have updated destination blinds - they now show Golders Green, Hampstead Garden Suburbs. The H9/H10 & H18/H19 both just show Harrow throughout the route. However, circular routes like the R5/R10 & 327 do change blinds halfway through the route.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 13, 2018 23:47:52 GMT
Why is there a '65 night only' instead of an N65? Why do most circular services change their blinds part way through the route but the H2 only says 'Golders Green' all the way through (you have to know it's going to Hampstead Garden Suburb)? On your first one - this is all down to a decision by one person in TfL. No one has sought to reverse it. I may be out of date on "circular routes" but I thought the Harrow area ones all just show "Harrow" all the way round regardless of direction. Last time I used the H2 I thought it did show Hampstead Garden Suburb on departure from G Green but that be my memory playing tricks. There aren't many more purely circular routes in London - a few down Orpington way and I'm not au fait with their blind practices. Even routes like the 379 are advertised as point to point even if they have minimal dwell at Yardley Lane Estate. Thinking back to my childhood "up north" there were circular routes but they just showed a route number and either "Cowgate Circle" or "Walker Circle" with no intermediate points at all. As with most bus networks the locals know what goes where. No such thing as timetables at every stop or even, in some places, route numbers on the stops.
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Post by redexpress on Jul 14, 2018 0:08:23 GMT
Why do most circular services change their blinds part way through the route but the H2 only says 'Golders Green' all the way through (you have to know it's going to Hampstead Garden Suburb)? Last time I used the H2 I thought it did show Hampstead Garden Suburb on departure from G Green but that be my memory playing tricks.
Under Metroline the H2 did indeed show Garden Suburb on the blinds, albeit as part of a lazy display as shown here (not my photo). When Arriva took over the display changed to a pretty useless plain "Golders Green" throughout. More recently this display has gained a (lengthy) qualifier of Hampstead Garden Suburb Circular.
I think you have to go back to R & I days for the H2 to have blinds that were changed mid-route, as they seemed to have a "Garden Suburb via Market Place" display as well as a "Golders Green Stn" one. And also a "Garden Suburb via Brim Hill" display for the non-standard journeys that eventually became the H3.
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Post by ibus246 on Jul 14, 2018 0:08:52 GMT
Why is there a '65 night only' instead of an N65? Why do most circular services change their blinds part way through the route but the H2 only says 'Golders Green' all the way through (you have to know it's going to Hampstead Garden Suburb)? On your first one - this is all down to a decision by one person in TfL. No one has sought to reverse it. I may be out of date on "circular routes" but I thought the Harrow area ones all just show "Harrow" all the way round regardless of direction. Last time I used the H2 I thought it did show Hampstead Garden Suburb on departure from G Green but that be my memory playing tricks. There aren't many more purely circular routes in London - a few down Orpington way and I'm not au fait with their blind practices. Even routes like the 379 are advertised as point to point even if they have minimal dwell at Yardley Lane Estate. Thinking back to my childhood "up north" there were circular routes but they just showed a route number and either "Cowgate Circle" or "Walker Circle" with no intermediate points at all. As with most bus networks the locals know what goes where. No such thing as timetables at every stop or even, in some places, route numbers on the stops. Regards the H2 - flic.kr/p/Khaq53
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 14, 2018 0:28:53 GMT
Why is Vectis Road a text to speech announcement when all other iBus stops are done by Emma Hignett? My Guess:TFL forgot about it or they don't "have enough money for it" I'll pass your comments on to TfL (minus the guessing bit!)
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 14, 2018 0:34:39 GMT
Why is there a '65 night only' instead of an N65? Why do most circular services change their blinds part way through the route but the H2 only says 'Golders Green' all the way through (you have to know it's going to Hampstead Garden Suburb)? On your first one - this is all down to a decision by one person in TfL. No one has sought to reverse it. The refurbished SPs are blinded for and show N65 in service though officially it should be 65. Definitely an anomaly!
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Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2018 6:47:54 GMT
I have always wondered about the Manor Circus (Richmond) extensions
Few years ag 371 was diverted from previous Dee Road terminus, did Sainsbury’s build the new terminus
371 has a stop just off the Sainsbury’s car park, but other buses park other side of Manor Road (in an area off Homebase car park). Just to confuse things the H37 shows same Manor Circus blind destination, but stands at a third location
So why did 371 get extended to Sainsbury’s, but the H37 get a stand 100m away when that was extended, anomaly.
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Post by LBOTG on Jul 14, 2018 7:13:18 GMT
For some odd reason, along the Uxbridge Road, routes E2 and E8 miss out random stops.
Heading Eastbound, everything stops at Longfield Avenue outside the council, except the E2 and E8 which zoom straight past. The E7 stops here too so it isn't like this is confined to the routes going straight through, avoiding Haven Green. I'm not complaining though, it means I can often make a 207/427 in front as the E2 overtakes!
Heading Westbound, the E2 doesn't stop at Northfield Avenue (just before it turns left), whilst the E8 skips the stop after (Dean Gardens / Bedford Road). It just seems a bit random.
Another one I don't get is why the 27 has a massive gap between stops, from Chiswick Road to Chiswick Business Park. It skips both Gunnersbury Station (not stopping at a station is something even the 607 doesn't manage) and The Plaza, where I believe new bus stops should've emerged. If Chiswick Park hadn't refused (assuming that's why they haven't been erected), maybe the route would've actually generated some usage and they wouldn't have to cut it! All the route does at the moment is serve a dingy construction site at the back of the Danone quarter, but there are 14 other buildings which would be directly served by other bus stops in the park!
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Post by galwhv69 on Jul 14, 2018 8:49:41 GMT
Why is Vectis Road a text to speech announcement when all other iBus stops are done by Emma Hignett? My Guess:TFL forgot about it or they don't "have enough money for it" I'll pass your comments on to TfL (minus the guessing bit!) Thanks!
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 14, 2018 9:02:13 GMT
145 & 366 in around Ilford area where they don't stop at the southbound Northbrook Road stop while all routes from Gants Hill do stop there and at Pioneer Point towards Dagenham Asda / Beckton Station while other 'through' Ilford routes heading East including 128/150 do stop there.
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Post by Dillon95 on Jul 14, 2018 9:38:30 GMT
Why is it '162 to Eltham Station' but not '162 to Beckenham Junction Station'?
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 14, 2018 9:58:52 GMT
The Rugby Avenue stop in Sudbury not being served by 18/N18 even though every bus passes it. When a 18 or N18 leaves the Sudbury stand to start service, it turns around at the Watford Road roundabout but then skips this stop much to the annoyance of passengers. However, the N18 that starts from Harrow Weald also skips this stop unlike the 182 day counterpart
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Post by redexpress on Jul 14, 2018 11:20:08 GMT
I have always wondered about the Manor Circus (Richmond) extensions Few years ag 371 was diverted from previous Dee Road terminus, did Sainsbury’s build the new terminus 371 has a stop just off the Sainsbury’s car park, but other buses park other side of Manor Road (in an area off Homebase car park). Just to confuse things the H37 shows same Manor Circus blind destination, but stands at a third location So why did 371 get extended to Sainsbury’s, but the H37 get a stand 100m away when that was extended, anomaly. I think it's just a case of no single stand being big enough to accommodate all of the routes terminating there. The H37 took the place of the 490 on Lower Mortlake Road when the latter route was diverted to a new terminus at Pools on the Park. The Lower Mortlake Road stand is shared with the H22. There wasn't room(*) for the 371 to stand there as well, and on paper the Homebase stand can't take more than two routes (493 and R70), so 371 had to wait for Sainsbury's to get their act together and build a new stand in their car park. IIRC that had been agreed many years earlier but took a long time to come to fruition.
(*) - Previously the Lower Mortlake Road stand had held three routes (490, H22, R68) but is now only deemed suitable for two. Presumably this is because of buses being bigger and/or being given more stand time these days.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2018 11:51:48 GMT
Why is it '162 to Eltham Station' but not '162 to Beckenham Junction Station'? That’s not an anomaly to be fairness as the same situation applies to other routes. Brixton Station has 6 terminating routes but only some display ‘Brixton Station’ on the I-Bus and the rest show ‘Brixton’ on the I-Bus
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