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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 10:23:55 GMT
TfL have been reading the forum again. Goodbye C2, hello extended 88, goodbye link to Oxford Circus via Mornington Crescent / Hampstead Road. Oh and Ribbit, Ribbit Hopper ticket. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-c2-88/
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Post by redexpress on Aug 8, 2018 10:28:56 GMT
TfL have been reading the forum again. Goodbye C2, hello extended 88, goodbye link to Oxford Circus via Mornington Crescent / Hampstead Road. Oh and Ribbit, Ribbit Hopper ticket. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-c2-88/Can't believe no-one suggested this one before! Oh wait...
Interesting snippet in the section about Bus Stands. The Parliament Hill Fields stand will be used by route 88 instead of route C2, with similar buses at a very similar frequency. This would seem to rule out LTs, which are much longer than the existing C2 buses, so I guess a swap is on the cards. Perhaps with LTs going to the 87 as has been suggested before.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 10:30:43 GMT
TfL have been reading the forum again. Goodbye C2, hello extended 88, goodbye link to Oxford Circus via Mornington Crescent / Hampstead Road. Oh and Ribbit, Ribbit Hopper ticket. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-c2-88/Can't believe no-one suggested this one before! Oh wait... Interesting snippet in the section about Bus Stands. The Parliament Hill Fields stand will be used by route 88 instead of route C2, with similar buses at a very similar frequency. This would seem to rule out LTs, which are much longer than the existing C2 buses, so I guess a swap is on the cards. Perhaps with LTs going to the 87 as has been suggested before.
This is also a rather telling remark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 10:33:05 GMT
TfL have been reading the forum again. Goodbye C2, hello extended 88, goodbye link to Oxford Circus via Mornington Crescent / Hampstead Road. Oh and Ribbit, Ribbit Hopper ticket. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-c2-88/Certainly agree about TfL getting ideas from these threads. Better they get ideas from sensible posts than the crap they come up with on their own though.
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Post by redexpress on Aug 8, 2018 10:40:56 GMT
This is also a rather telling remark. That's rather worrying. I can see the 88 being sneakily reduced in frequency at some point even though that isn't part of the consultation.
It's been a long time since I saw a packed bus over the Camden - Oxo corridor, and I can well believe that 15.5bph is too much, but to drop down to just 5bph (if that happens) would be alarming. If this is the same sort of analysis that has deemed the 31 worthy of a drastic cut, I'll take it with a pinch of salt.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 11:14:50 GMT
My concern with this proposal is that the 88 would become quite a long route.
It already passes through congested corridors such as Regent Street and Whitehall, so extending it further could have an impact on the route's reliability.
As the 27 is due to be cut back to Hammersmith, I think it *may* be a more suitable alternative to extend from Camden.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 11:17:07 GMT
This is also a rather telling remark. That's rather worrying. I can see the 88 being sneakily reduced in frequency at some point even though that isn't part of the consultation.
It's been a long time since I saw a packed bus over the Camden - Oxo corridor, and I can well believe that 15.5bph is too much, but to drop down to just 5bph (if that happens) would be alarming. If this is the same sort of analysis that has deemed the 31 worthy of a drastic cut, I'll take it with a pinch of salt.
I think this statistic is just TFL's proof that the 88 and C2 provide excess capacity together along the common section. More than 5bhp are needed on that section, as many passengers will use the C2 instead. I would expect the 88's existing frequency (or similar) to be maintained, with reductions made with the C2's withdrawal.
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2018 11:18:52 GMT
TfL have been reading the forum again. Goodbye C2, hello extended 88, goodbye link to Oxford Circus via Mornington Crescent / Hampstead Road. Oh and Ribbit, Ribbit Hopper ticket. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-c2-88/Can't believe no-one suggested this one before! Oh wait...
Interesting snippet in the section about Bus Stands. The Parliament Hill Fields stand will be used by route 88 instead of route C2, with similar buses at a very similar frequency. This would seem to rule out LTs, which are much longer than the existing C2 buses, so I guess a swap is on the cards. Perhaps with LTs going to the 87 as has been suggested before.
I think the 87 swap would be likely. The 88's LT allocation would fit the 87's PVR, but Go Ahead would need to order a few additional EHs to cover the extension in this case. I'm assuming the C2 contract will simply not be renewed and removed from tendering.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2018 11:36:12 GMT
An idiotic decision but one we all knew was coming - the drop from 15.5bph to 5bph is also ridiculously short sighted and will lead to further decline.
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Post by LBOTG on Aug 8, 2018 11:43:17 GMT
What annoys me is the fast route from Warren Street to Oxford Circus is gone now - going via the 73 takes ages!
Could send the 134 that way but that route is pretty intense so the limited stand at Regent St might be a problem
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Post by rmz19 on Aug 8, 2018 11:59:40 GMT
My concern with this proposal is that the 88 would become quite a long route. It already passes through congested corridors such as Regent Street and Whitehall, so extending it further could have an impact on the route's reliability. As the 27 is due to be cut back to Hammersmith, I think it *may* be a more suitable alternative to extend from Camden. The 88 is currently under 8 miles, so the extension via the C2 to PHF would only make the 88 ~8.5 miles in length which still isn't long. It's current running time of 41-84 mins would only be increased by ~15 mins as the distance between Camden Town and PHF is quite short, so the 88 would be fine. I previously suggested the 22 as an alternative to the 88 to replace the C2, both are good contenders though. The caveat is the 88 at its current frequency might struggle with the displaced passengers from the C2 and the removed assistance via Hampstead Road, so the 88 would need a frequency boost, perhaps a considerable one due to the popular Oxo - Camden Town link. The 22 could also be extended to Camden Town via Hampstead Road, arguably this may seem as defeating the purpose of TFL's intention of reducing the amount of buses between Oxo and Camden Town, but the new links that would be provided with the 22 may actually increase passenger flow within the aforementioned section.
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Post by danorak on Aug 8, 2018 12:04:28 GMT
Well there's a surprise.
If TfL wanted to reduce the running time on the 88, it could swap routeings with the 87 around Westminster. The route via Millbank is much quicker than getting caught up around Westminster Abbey.
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Post by vlw92 on Aug 8, 2018 12:15:40 GMT
So the cats out of the bag for the impending fate of the C2 "Consultation came out today regarding the fusing of the 2 routes between Parliament Hill and Oxford Circus Whitls got once this change I can see as actually good as the C2 has become a complete shadow of its former self.... The only one thing I cannot agree with is that the North section of the route will severely suffer due to the already persistan issues that effect route 88.... Im sure a different change could have been arranged instead of this... Any ideas anyone?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 12:23:05 GMT
An idiotic decision but one we all knew was coming - the drop from 15.5bph to 5bph is also ridiculously short sighted and will lead to further decline. To be fair TfL are saying demand between Camden Town and Oxo has fallen to the *equivalent* of 5 bph. There is no proposal to reduce the 88 to 5 bph. The only issue of concern is the woolly phrase "broadly similar frequencies" without actually stating what the frequencies will be. This rather suggests the issue is not yet finalised.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2018 12:27:02 GMT
The 22 could also be extended to Camden Town via Hampstead Road, arguably this may seem as defeating the purpose of TFL's intention of reducing the amount of buses between Oxo and Camden Town, but the new links that would be provided with the 22 may actually increase passenger flow within the aforementioned section. That rather assumes the 22 isn't up for more changes itself. Clearly TfL are simply scrapping the long standing quick link from Hampstead Road to Oxford Circus. There is another small context here - reducing the volume of bus movements on Hampstead Road which is due to see massive, long term works to adjust the bridge over Euston's approach tracks as part of HS2.
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