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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2019 20:41:31 GMT
I note that with your CV, they require "a two page covering letter." Does that mean a one or three+ letter fails you? I think part of the assessment process is following instructions. In my view with such competitive roles, it's best not to give the people filtering through them any excuse to decline your applications. Having attended events with people from HR departments, they are tasked with finding people who demonstrate they most closely match with what the advert asks for. In any case I think covering letters are supposed to be specifically tailored for the role applied for so if they ask for a two page letter in Comic Sans MS size 10, best to give them that! People filtering applications? I thought it was all done by computers these days who search for key words etc to filter out the dross. AIUI there are very few specialists left in TfL HR - a whole load of work has been turned into telephone / online helplines and outsourced. Obviously the employing manager will have to see the final cut of the applications to select for interview but if your application and CV don't have the "buzz words" in them that align with the job specification then you won't get through the first cut.
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Post by beaver14uk on Mar 21, 2019 21:18:51 GMT
Not saying I agree but the trouble with a job like this and numbers that apply there needs to be some filter as we just don't have resources to sift . Mangers in the business areas will do interviews, I have done plenty for this job. quote author=" snoggle" source="/post/488223/thread" timestamp="1553200891"] I think part of the assessment process is following instructions. In my view with such competitive roles, it's best not to give the people filtering through them any excuse to decline your applications. Having attended events with people from HR departments, they are tasked with finding people who demonstrate they most closely match with what the advert asks for. In any case I think covering letters are supposed to be specifically tailored for the role applied for so if they ask for a two page letter in Comic Sans MS size 10, best to give them that! People filtering applications? I thought it was all done by computers these days who search for key words etc to filter out the dross. AIUI there are very few specialists left in TfL HR - a whole load of work has been turned into telephone / online helplines and outsourced. Obviously the employing manager will have to see the final cut of the applications to select for interview but if your application and CV don't have the "buzz words" in them that align with the job specification then you won't get through the first cut.[/quote]
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2019 21:36:40 GMT
Not saying I agree but the trouble with a job like this and numbers that apply there needs to be some filter as we just don't have resources to sift . Mangers in the business areas will do interviews, I have done plenty for this job. Oh sure. It was bad enough if you're office based trying to find the time to do a proper job with job applications. It'll be even worse for those who are operational staff and need to be out and about in their role. While I accept it's the "modern" way to do things to use technology based filtering I do wonder how many applicants realise what they are up against. They're not up against human beings in that first cut of applications. They're against an unyielding, logic based programme. You may very well have excellent qualities for the job and yet not get through that process because you didn't appreciate the "game" that has to be played to get past the machine. Others who have sussed the regime can draft a keyword laden letter and CV and get through even if they've not got the best personal attributes for a largely public facing role. I know there are later stages in the process that will filter out these people but even so it doesn't strike me as very fair. Human beings can be more a tad more nuanced and considerate in their interpretation of what's written and of past experience.
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 21, 2019 21:52:39 GMT
I note that with your CV, they require "a two page covering letter." Does that mean a one or three+ letter fails you? I think part of the assessment process is following instructions. In my view with such competitive roles, it's best not to give the people filtering through them any excuse to decline your applications. Having attended events with people from HR departments, they are tasked with finding people who demonstrate they most closely match with what the advert asks for. In any case I think covering letters are supposed to be specifically tailored for the role applied for so if they ask for a two page letter in Comic Sans MS size 10, best to give them that! Argh! Anything but Comic Sans Johnston would be much better!
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 21, 2019 21:56:19 GMT
While I accept it's the "modern" way to do things to use technology based filtering I do wonder how many applicants realise what they are up against. They're not up against human beings in that first cut of applications. They're against an unyielding, logic based programme. You may very well have excellent qualities for the job and yet not get through that process because you didn't appreciate the "game" that has to be played to get past the machine. Others who have sussed the regime can draft a keyword laden letter and CV and get through even if they've not got the best personal attributes for a largely public facing role. I know there are later stages in the process that will filter out these people but even so it doesn't strike me as very fair. Human beings can be more a tad more nuanced and considerate in their interpretation of what's written and of past experience. I clocked onto that a while ago and use what I have learned to help people get through that stage for roles of this nature, that's if they want the help. It's a very formulaic process, getting through this type of recruitment system and the kind of things you describe help you get the edge over maybe 90% of applicants. Many people submit what they feel are passable responses and assume the CV will carry them through without due consideration to what the advert is asking for. I guess the game changes a little once roles start demanding more scarce, specialist skills and experience. The job advert tells you exactly what to they want to see. "Think carefully about the skills, knowledge and experience in the advert and cover this in your CV and cover letter." School didn't teach us this sort of thing however. I feel that instead of learning about phloem, xylem and the feudal system, life skills like getting through job applications, money management and handling tax matters may well have come in more useful...!
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Post by busaholic on Mar 21, 2019 23:39:37 GMT
While I accept it's the "modern" way to do things to use technology based filtering I do wonder how many applicants realise what they are up against. They're not up against human beings in that first cut of applications. They're against an unyielding, logic based programme. You may very well have excellent qualities for the job and yet not get through that process because you didn't appreciate the "game" that has to be played to get past the machine. Others who have sussed the regime can draft a keyword laden letter and CV and get through even if they've not got the best personal attributes for a largely public facing role. I know there are later stages in the process that will filter out these people but even so it doesn't strike me as very fair. Human beings can be more a tad more nuanced and considerate in their interpretation of what's written and of past experience. I clocked onto that a while ago and use what I have learned to help people get through that stage for roles of this nature, that's if they want the help. It's a very formulaic process, getting through this type of recruitment system and the kind of things you describe help you get the edge over maybe 90% of applicants. Many people submit what they feel are passable responses and assume the CV will carry them through without due consideration to what the advert is asking for. I guess the game changes a little once roles start demanding more scarce, specialist skills and experience. The job advert tells you exactly what to they want to see. "Think carefully about the skills, knowledge and experience in the advert and cover this in your CV and cover letter." School didn't teach us this sort of thing however. I feel that instead of learning about phloem, xylem and the feudal system, life skills like getting through job applications, money management and handling tax matters may well have come in more useful...! Mightn't a knowledge of the feudal system come in quite useful working for TfL?
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 22, 2019 18:03:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 18:31:21 GMT
A few days ago I found out that I had passed the video interview stage of the TfL General Management Apprenticeship application process. I have been placed into a "talent pool" and now need to attend some assessment days at Tfl HQ, where I will be asked to do group exercises and have an interview with members of the recruitment team. I am really motivated to get into this degree apprenticeship, as the ability to work for such a large and well-known organisation with such great responsibility will enable me to put my passion for transport to good use, by driving a positive change in our city and impacting the lives of thousands of Londoners.
I was wondering if anyone here had any experience of TfL's recruitment/assessment centre process, as I would be grateful for any tips anyone could share?
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Post by snoggle on Mar 28, 2019 20:20:38 GMT
A few days ago I found out that I had passed the video interview stage of the TfL General Management Apprenticeship application process. I have been placed into a "talent pool" and now need to attend some assessment days at Tfl HQ, where I will be asked to do group exercises and have an interview with members of the recruitment team. I am really motivated to get into this degree apprenticeship, as the ability to work for such a large and well-known organisation with such great responsibility will enable me to put my passion for transport to good use, by driving a positive change in our city and impacting the lives of thousands of Londoners. I was wondering if anyone here had any experience of TfL's recruitment/assessment centre process, as I would be grateful for any tips anyone could share? Well done! (I think ) I've no experience of modern day assessment centres. I've been through one for management training but it was a v long time ago. A couple of tips - they may sound obvious but people miss them. First one is to listen. Most people are good at talking but good listening skills are quite rare. Tasks will almost certainly be designed to test your ability to listen, understand and comprehend. Don't be afraid to ask for clarification of a task or someone's contribution but do it in a positive way rather than a critical one. Don't talk over other people (one of my failings). Try to ensure you do contribute and collaborate with other people in group exercises. No point in being a "wallflower". Don't act or display any obvious biases or be discriminatory - that'll go down like a lead balloon and will certainly be noted. Most importantly be yourself - that's the person that's being evaluated even though everyone is an "actor" to some extent when they're in an interview situation. Assessment centres are designed to last sufficiently long that no one can "act" for hours and hours. Be aware that even during breaks or meal times (assuming they're provided) that you may well be being assessed as to your personal skills and interraction with other candidates and those running the centre. Also don't lie. It'll almost certainly be spotted and could come back to haunt you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 20:42:09 GMT
A few days ago I found out that I had passed the video interview stage of the TfL General Management Apprenticeship application process. I have been placed into a "talent pool" and now need to attend some assessment days at Tfl HQ, where I will be asked to do group exercises and have an interview with members of the recruitment team. I am really motivated to get into this degree apprenticeship, as the ability to work for such a large and well-known organisation with such great responsibility will enable me to put my passion for transport to good use, by driving a positive change in our city and impacting the lives of thousands of Londoners. I was wondering if anyone here had any experience of TfL's recruitment/assessment centre process, as I would be grateful for any tips anyone could share? Well done! (I think ) I've no experience of modern day assessment centres. I've been through one for management training but it was a v long time ago. A couple of tips - they may sound obvious but people miss them. First one is to listen. Most people are good at talking but good listening skills are quite rare. Tasks will almost certainly be designed to test your ability to listen, understand and comprehend. Don't be afraid to ask for clarification of a task or someone's contribution but do it in a positive way rather than a critical one. Don't talk over other people (one of my failings). Try to ensure you do contribute and collaborate with other people in group exercises. No point in being a "wallflower". Don't act or display any obvious biases or be discriminatory - that'll go down like a lead balloon and will certainly be noted. Most importantly be yourself - that's the person that's being evaluated even though everyone is an "actor" to some extent when they're in an interview situation. Assessment centres are designed to last sufficiently long that no one can "act" for hours and hours. Be aware that even during breaks or meal times (assuming they're provided) that you may well be being assessed as to your personal skills and interraction with other candidates and those running the centre. Also don't lie. It'll almost certainly be spotted and could come back to haunt you. Thank you very much for all your helpful advice, I'm definitely going to bear what you said in mind when the day comes.
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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 3, 2019 8:02:35 GMT
Abellio London are recruitng for 13 rail replacement controllers - apply.abellio.com/vacancies/4860/london_rail_replacement_controller/Just as a side note, if anyone wants some generic tips for getting through some of these applications, I'm more than happy to spare a bit of time. Most of these applications are not a case of sending anything and hoping for the best - there are definitely ways you can get an edge on the competition and boost your chances of being progressed!
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Post by snoggle on Apr 4, 2019 19:08:03 GMT
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Post by Green Kitten on Apr 5, 2019 5:17:02 GMT
Abellio London are recruitng for 13 rail replacement controllers - apply.abellio.com/vacancies/4860/london_rail_replacement_controller/Just as a side note, if anyone wants some generic tips for getting through some of these applications, I'm more than happy to spare a bit of time. Most of these applications are not a case of sending anything and hoping for the best - there are definitely ways you can get an edge on the competition and boost your chances of being progressed! My word, they can’t get enough of them can they! Last time they were looking for 7 controllers. Best of luck to those who apply!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 20:37:07 GMT
Abellio London are recruiting for a Health, Safety and Environmental Compliance Manager, based at their Hayes depot. t.co/jzxWbfG9c2?amp=1
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 18, 2019 9:21:13 GMT
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