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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 9:46:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 9:57:33 GMT
Interesting for me that they haven’t provided a map of the proposed rerouteing changes. I wonder if that is because the map would show the extent in numbers that people would have a walk to catch the bus after the reroute.
If they’ve forgotten or were too lazy to produce one I wouldn’t be surprised either.
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Post by snowman on Sept 10, 2018 10:06:12 GMT
Looks like although it provides a new link, there are downsides
Route 292 goes down from 4 to 3 buses per hour Route 606 looses 1 morning and 1 afternoon bus Reduction in Capacity between Stirling Corner and Borehamwood
The other interesting part is in (ii) as it refers to within 450m of a bus stop (didn't the standard reference used to be within 400m, or am I dreaming this part)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 10:17:05 GMT
Looks like although it provides a new link, there are downsides Route 292 goes down from 4 to 3 buses per hour Route 606 looses 1 morning and 1 afternoon bus Reduction in Capacity between Stirling Corner and Borehamwood The other interesting part is in (ii) as it refers to within 450m of a bus stop (didn't the standard reference used to be within 400m, or am I dreaming this part) I noticed that as well about the ‘standard’ maximum walking distance target. Seems a classic case of moving the goalposts to suit their agendas!
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Post by redexpress on Sept 10, 2018 10:58:06 GMT
Interesting for me that they haven’t provided a map of the proposed rerouteing changes. I wonder if that is because the map would show the extent in numbers that people would have a walk to catch the bus after the reroute. If they’ve forgotten or were too lazy to produce one I wouldn’t be surprised either. A map would indeed be very useful. It took me quite a while to figure out what they're proposing in the East Barnet area and I'm still not 100% sure I've understood it. There's no mention of Westbrook Crescent being affected so I assume buses will still do that double-run. But there are still large chunks of the route that are being withdrawn altogether.
You have to wonder how a low-frequency route using 9.6m E200s is going to cope as the most direct route between Edgware and Barnet, especially at school / college times. And this is a route that already had to have extra school capacity added at short notice because of overcrowding.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 10, 2018 11:11:43 GMT
Interesting for me that they haven’t provided a map of the proposed rerouteing changes. I wonder if that is because the map would show the extent in numbers that people would have a walk to catch the bus after the reroute. If they’ve forgotten or were too lazy to produce one I wouldn’t be surprised either. More likely they haven't dared map all the roads that lose service. This has all the signs of turning into a 424/485 fiasco. Removing local bus services from smaller roads where older people use the service to the shops, doctors, hospitals etc is never a good idea. Of course this is all about "simplification" in the guise of enabling cuts elsewhere. As others have remarked the careful adjustment to "450m walking distance to stops" is a sneaky change to the service planning guidelines. I did speculate recently whether TfL would do this and hey presto yes they have. I can see both Andew Dismore AM and Teresa Villiers MP both campaigning against this proposal. Looks like TfL have secretly agreed with Herts CC to cut the 292 and this is a sop to try to maintain capacity within Greater London. I can see some upside in the more direct link but it's all rather surprising really when you consider all the links happily being smashed to bits elsewhere. Surely the Hopper ticket applies just as much in Barnet as elsewhere? Just require people to change between the 107 and 292 at Stirling Corner.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2018 11:42:06 GMT
Interesting for me that they haven’t provided a map of the proposed rerouteing changes. I wonder if that is because the map would show the extent in numbers that people would have a walk to catch the bus after the reroute. If they’ve forgotten or were too lazy to produce one I wouldn’t be surprised either. A map would indeed be very useful. It took me quite a while to figure out what they're proposing in the East Barnet area and I'm still not 100% sure I've understood it. There's no mention of Westbrook Crescent being affected so I assume buses will still do that double-run. But there are still large chunks of the route that are being withdrawn altogether. You have to wonder how a low-frequency route using 9.6m E200s is going to cope as the most direct route between Edgware and Barnet, especially at school / college times. And this is a route that already had to have extra school capacity added at short notice because of overcrowding.
And the knock on effect this has to 292 passengers going to Borehamwood who don’t live near the 107 - they end up with a worse service and TfL begin killing the 292 off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 12:31:03 GMT
redexpress... indeed I do wonder how TfL propose to work the 384 through there. They may say patronage is low but if this routeing is to be a success surely they expect better patronage than a midibus at low frequency. Good god. snoggle yes I did wonder about the hopper suddenly not being so important anymore and I concur with your suggestion that it’s sneaky in the areas you mentioned. I wonder if it will be 500m next... May as well round it up!!!
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Post by snoggle on Sept 10, 2018 12:42:54 GMT
STOP THE PRESSES - they've added a MAP!!!
Confirms they're ripping the 384 away from almost all the twists and turns in New / East Barnet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 13:25:05 GMT
STOP THE PRESSES - they've added a MAP!!! Confirms they're ripping the 384 away from almost all the twists and turns in New / East Barnet. One wonders why they couldn’t just have put the map there before publishing it. I do have a theory though... they’re rushing the consultation through. Not only due to the initially incomplete consultation but the consultation period itself is 42 days. They’re in a hurry with this one.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 10, 2018 13:30:03 GMT
STOP THE PRESSES - they've added a MAP!!! Confirms they're ripping the 384 away from almost all the twists and turns in New / East Barnet. One wonders why they couldn’t just have put the map there before publishing it. I do have a theory though... they’re rushing the consultation through. Not only due to the initially incomplete consultation but the consultation period itself is 42 days. They’re in a hurry with this one. Indeed - they want it sorted and introduced to facilitate the cut to the 292 and also to establish the precedent of removing twisty, turny routes from residential areas. Just think how many routes TfL will be able to scrap if they manage that and keep flexing their bus stop catchment area definition. Click your fingers and dozens of routes disappear overnight - oh look the W11, W12 and 385 just vanished overnight. Shazam - the B13, B14 and B15 also just vanished. Poooof - the 353 vanished as did the R2 and R6. Dead easy this bus simplification lark.
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Post by lonmark on Sept 10, 2018 13:41:56 GMT
For me, I'm not local knowledge enough for that area. However, I think it is a good idea for this new way for route 384.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 13:43:58 GMT
It is all change for change sake. Not 100% certain that the 292 & 606 cut would completely fund the 384 extension. At least however there are no 292 journeys that would terminate at Apex Corner as was originally planned.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 10, 2018 13:47:32 GMT
It is all change for change sake. Not 100% certain that the 292 & 606 cut would completely fund the 384 extension. At least however there are no 292 journeys that would terminate at Stirling Corner as was originally planned. So they were going to turn half the service at Sterling Corner were they to save money? Grief. Looks like the residents of Borehamwood were right to be worried.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 13:51:31 GMT
It is all change for change sake. Not 100% certain that the 292 & 606 cut would completely fund the 384 extension. At least however there are no 292 journeys that would terminate at Stirling Corner as was originally planned. So they were going to turn half the service at Stirling Corner were they to save money? Grief. Looks like the residents of Borehamwood were right to be worried. Meant Apex Corner! 384 + 292 would then have matched existing capacity between Apex and Stirling.
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