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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 13:19:23 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Sept 20, 2018 15:15:19 GMT
Love the way this is presented as an Arriva London initiative whereas it is a contract option demanded by TfL and the cost saving is priced by Arriva for TfL to take advantage of. More deceit and spin.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 15:20:53 GMT
Love the way this is presented as an Arriva London initiative whereas it is a contract option demanded by TfL and the cost saving is priced by Arriva for TfL to take advantage of. More deceit and spin. You’re telling me. I also wonder if they selected the number of 12 ticket sales per hour or fewer to come to the 51 number. Too convenient if you ask me. Almost as if their original number was less than 10 but that didn’t yield a high enough number of closures
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Post by busaholic on Sept 20, 2018 19:42:48 GMT
Love the way this is presented as an Arriva London initiative whereas it is a contract option demanded by TfL and the cost saving is priced by Arriva for TfL to take advantage of. More deceit and spin. You’re telling me. I also wonder if they selected the number of 12 ticket sales per hour or fewer to come to the 51 number. Too convenient if you ask me. Almost as if their original number was less than 10 but that didn’t yield a high enough number of closures I've told the tale before on another forum, but when I was working on the Underground side at LT it was proposed to close four stations on the Northern Line after 8 p.m. With the most modern technology known to LT management four different people were sent out with 'clickers' to record the numbers exiting between 8 and 11 p.m. (these were outer suburban stations). The person sent to West Finchley was given some advice from a senior manager before embarking on the task - before you start, click fifty times (it was said manager's home station). In the end, no stations were closed in the evenings, but I always wondered if WF would have survived without that human intervention. You'll not be surprised to learn I take such data with a large pinch of salt!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 19:52:17 GMT
You’re telling me. I also wonder if they selected the number of 12 ticket sales per hour or fewer to come to the 51 number. Too convenient if you ask me. Almost as if their original number was less than 10 but that didn’t yield a high enough number of closures I've told the tale before on another forum, but when I was working on the Underground side at LT it was proposed to close four stations on the Northern Line after 8 p.m. With the most modern technology known to LT management four different people were sent out with 'clickers' to record the numbers exiting between 8 and 11 p.m. (these were outer suburban stations). The person sent to West Finchley was given some advice from a senior manager before embarking on the task - before you start, click fifty times (it was said manager's home station). In the end, no stations were closed in the evenings, but I always wondered if WF would have survived without that human intervention. You'll not be surprised to learn I take such data with a large pinch of salt! I haven’t seen this before so thanks for sharing even if it is again. Nice story, it wouldn’t surprise me if they don’t even bother too much with data even now, and pluck figures from the sky to suit their own ends. Who, for example, is checking out the accuracy of these claims TfL make? It will be interesting to see the results of the consultation... I figure most won’t agree to it but TfL will push ahead anyway under the moniker of savings. They talk about transparency but oh look... only three weeks to respond to one of the biggest consultations the public face. How is that transparent to those who aren’t in the loop with the online consultation page or those who are on holiday and will not be able to respond until it’s too late? Disgraceful.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 18, 2019 12:01:25 GMT
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Post by rif153 on Apr 18, 2019 13:24:38 GMT
I anticipate TFL gating more stations to remove the fare evasion argument from this debate. Brondesbury's ticket office is being removed to facilitate a lift and I don't belive there is a ticket office in the plans for the new White Hart Lane or Tottenham Hostpur station. Don't forget the ticket offices at Theobalds Grove and Stamford Hill have been slyly closed too
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 18, 2019 14:33:38 GMT
Unpopular opinion but in this day and age at a lot of Overground Stations you don't really need Ticket Offices , at Main Stations yes and I do agree and there should be staff at every station but Oysters/Contactless have changed the way we travel .
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Post by snoggle on Apr 18, 2019 15:53:09 GMT
Unpopular opinion but in this day and age at a lot of Overground Stations you don't really need Ticket Offices , at Main Stations yes and I do agree and there should be staff at every station but Oysters/Contactless have changed the way we travel . Understand your point when viewed solely in a Gtr London context. However, despite TfL's best efforts to hide it, these stations are all part of the national network and subject to those rules and obligations. There are a number of issues that can't be handled at machines in any effective way. There are also people, possibly small numbers, who prefer the human interraction or just don't cope well with ticket machines. National Rail machines rarely have a common design or screen layout and there's no guarantee that the best value ticket will be provided at a machine. There's plenty of evidence from consumer research bodies on this. I have a discount facility which I can only obtain via a ticket office if I want to travel outside the Oyster area. While I don't make many trips I do have to use ticket offices to get the discount. It would be lovely if I didn't have to bother with this but until the process is made "electronic" I value access to a competent booking clerk in a ticket office.
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