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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 15, 2019 16:24:51 GMT
Most of London enjoys bus services 7 days a week even if just a standardised 30 min service as opposed to erratic, no weekend or evening services with higher fares seen just across alot of the borders like in Surrey. I’m afraid buses would be very low down the priorities of people in the shire counties voting for a ‘should we join Greater London’ poll. It’s ground we’ve trodden before, but I think Spelthorne has a good chance of voting ‘yes’ in such a poll because of a unique set of circumstances: it’s in Surrey but many residents don’t really feel like they’re in ‘true Surrey’, and the traditional county is long demised Middlesex.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 15, 2019 16:26:23 GMT
I think they meant that the 55's were illegaly overloaded? Yes but he implied they illegally overloaded the 55, they did not. If he did see a 55 illegally overloaded, then that is the responsibility of the driver. Plain and simple don't move the bus until people get off, another bus comes, or emergency services/TfL comes to deal with it. If the driver has a serious accident, he would be liable in the docks at court. It really pees me off when on rail documentaries you get passengers saying 'surely its illegal to be crammed in like this.' Yes overcrowding is unpleasant, but the idea that it is illegal is just delusional.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 15, 2019 16:28:11 GMT
Today was an especially bad day to introduce the 48/55 changes, with the protests by extinction rebellion some fanatic criminals that ruined the 55 service making it even more difficult to use the service. I can imagine it was carnage this morning as predicted. I feel for those poor people caught up in it. There can't be many places along the route that are 45 minutes walk from a station. Lea Bridge Station will have to pick up a lot of the slack but there is now an increased frequency between Meridian Water and Stratford
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Post by busaholic on Oct 15, 2019 17:19:48 GMT
Today was an especially bad day to introduce the 48/55 changes, with the protests by extinction rebellion some fanatic criminals that ruined the 55 service making it even more difficult to use the service. I can imagine it was carnage this morning as predicted. I feel for those poor people caught up in it. There can't be many places along the route that are 45 minutes walk from a station. There'd be plenty of places along the route which would be a 45 minute walk to a station for me, but I accept my mobility is more impaired than most people's! More seriously, I don't think Lea Bridge station should be included as a suitable alternative, as it wouldn't take a potential 55 passenger to anywhere they wished to go, even if they were lucky enough to catch a train within a few minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 19:32:29 GMT
Another day , more complaints
Think we can safely say the 48 is being missed more the RV1!
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Post by COBO on Oct 15, 2019 22:47:01 GMT
I wonder if more cuts are on the way. Or is this it. 🤔
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 16, 2019 0:44:47 GMT
Seeing as I started posting on this subject and the thread has now gone... Knowing TfL, there's no way they're going to reinstate the 48 (think the LTs are earmarked for another route). If they were to do some sort of U turn, I imagine they'll have a localised route running from Ash Grove to Walthamstow Central. Ain't no way the 55's reliability or now lack thereof is going to continue, nor are people going to suddenly find train alternatives to the links [into the Square Mile] that the 48 provided. As I mentioned, I was reliant on that route for more than 6 months when my best mate lived near Hackney Baths and I worked in London Bridge at the time. The option of changing for trains two or three times for next to nil time savings as opposed to the 48 just wasn't attractive to me, hence why I mostly pined for the 48. It's only a matter or time till something gives: either the 55 is chopped at either end (should never have been extended to Walthamstow at full frequency imo), the 48 makes a comeback in its entirety (very unlikely) or TfL makes a halfway house route where they hopefully address the capacity issues on the 55 corridor north of Ash Grove. Find it ironic the son of a bus driver was in a hospital doing PR on Monday, the full working day after the savage cull of the 48. Should've checked himself in and got his head checked out whilst he was at it!
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 16, 2019 6:41:43 GMT
>>> Should've checked himself in and got his head checked out whilst he was at it! <<<
In future, before you make comments like this please consider people like me who struggle with mental health issues. It isn't a joke for us.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 16, 2019 10:02:47 GMT
I wonder if more cuts are on the way. Or is this it. 🤔 I suspect that there will be more zone 1/2 cuts, COBO. The continual demos/problems around Westminster/Parliament Square lead me to believe that routes around there are likely candidates for further cuts, also I suspect TfL haven’t finished cutting around Oxford Circus either. If you want a left field idea of a route I think could go completely, I would venture to mention the 211.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 16, 2019 10:08:56 GMT
I doubt the 211. Maybe even the 11 with something from Liverpool Street to Trafalgar Square and the 211 left to the rest maybe diverted via Worlds End
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 16, 2019 10:56:52 GMT
And I still think something could be vulnerable in the Holborn and Aldwych area. Even a cut back to Piccadilly or Trafalgar square or a route gone altogether. 68 very much has the look of the 48 to me. Covered by the 468 and 168 with plenty of routes covering through the central section.
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 16, 2019 12:10:52 GMT
>>> Should've checked himself in and got his head checked out whilst he was at it! <<< In future, before you make comments like this please consider people like me who struggle with mental health issues. It isn't a joke for us. And you assume I don't have my fair share of mental health problems, such as suffering with chronic depression for 9 years?! The mere fact you didn't even quote me directly suggests you don't want to have a proper conversation about this, and create and us vs. them camp for others to galvanise around you. Some people, like myself, try to use laughter as a medicine. For example when I was hospitalised in March 2017 when the 5 group tender came out, I used humour then to rationalise me being in hospital; it's still a doozy of a shock now but I couldn't not link the two in my head. Pretty sure humour helped me then as my follow up visit period decreased from 4 months to one, and doctors were more than pleased with my upbeat attitude. Veering off course here but I assure you I'm not poking fun at mental health sufferers, just trying to make (I admit) a risqué comment regarding the Mayor. If he thinks he can decimate bus services in Labour heartlands like rif153 has mentioned with the 53 and think people will readily forget that come election time, well the son of a bus driver is in for a big shock! I'm pretty sure as well he chose to have a day out for PR on Monday so as to say he wasn't in office to view the chaotic tweets from the 48 withdrawal.
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 16, 2019 12:16:47 GMT
And I still think something could be vulnerable in the Holborn and Aldwych area. Even a cut back to Piccadilly or Trafalgar square or a route gone altogether. 68 very much has the look of the 48 to me. Covered by the 468 and 168 with plenty of routes covering through the central section. Then, similarly with the 55 situation, this would just lead to another fiasco resulting in the 168 being overcrowded more than it already is. The 171 was already pointlessly withdrawn from Central London, so removing the 68 would obviously make matters much worse. This leaves the ' plenty' of routes you mention down to only the 188 assisting the 168 between Russell Square and E&C.
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Post by parker96 on Oct 16, 2019 12:39:45 GMT
>>> Should've checked himself in and got his head checked out whilst he was at it! <<< In future, before you make comments like this please consider people like me who struggle with mental health issues. It isn't a joke for us. And you assume I don't have my fair share of mental health problems, such as suffering with chronic depression for 9 years?! The mere fact you didn't even quote me directly suggests you don't want to have a proper conversation about this, and create and us vs. them camp for others to galvanise around you. Some people, like myself, try to use laughter as a medicine. For example when I was hospitalised in March 2017 when the 5 group tender came out, I used humour then to rationalise me being in hospital; it's still a doozy of a shock now but I couldn't not link the two in my head. Pretty sure humour helped me then as my follow up visit period decreased from 4 months to one, and doctors were more than pleased with my upbeat attitude. Veering off course here but I assure you I'm not poking fun at mental health sufferers, just trying to make (I admit) a risqué comment regarding the Mayor. If he thinks he can decimate bus services in Labour heartlands like rif153 has mentioned with the 53 and think people will readily forget that come election time, well the son of a bus driver is in for a big shock! I'm pretty sure as well he chose to have a day out for PR on Monday so as to say he wasn't in office to view the chaotic tweets from the 48 withdrawal. I have depression as well been suffering since 2015 now when the 55 got NBFLs. Not sure what exactly causes my mood swings but I tell you it's so disturbing and annoying. One minute I'm feeling good then it changes for no reason that I can identify. Feels crap as I never had issues with low moods before but since 2015 it has just been getting worse not better. The Mental health services I find that there is a lack of resources.
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 16, 2019 13:59:58 GMT
And you assume I don't have my fair share of mental health problems, such as suffering with chronic depression for 9 years?! The mere fact you didn't even quote me directly suggests you don't want to have a proper conversation about this, and create and us vs. them camp for others to galvanise around you. Some people, like myself, try to use laughter as a medicine. For example when I was hospitalised in March 2017 when the 5 group tender came out, I used humour then to rationalise me being in hospital; it's still a doozy of a shock now but I couldn't not link the two in my head. Pretty sure humour helped me then as my follow up visit period decreased from 4 months to one, and doctors were more than pleased with my upbeat attitude. Veering off course here but I assure you I'm not poking fun at mental health sufferers, just trying to make (I admit) a risqué comment regarding the Mayor. If he thinks he can decimate bus services in Labour heartlands like rif153 has mentioned with the 53 and think people will readily forget that come election time, well the son of a bus driver is in for a big shock! I'm pretty sure as well he chose to have a day out for PR on Monday so as to say he wasn't in office to view the chaotic tweets from the 48 withdrawal. I have depression as well been suffering since 2015 now when the 55 got NBFLs. Not sure what exactly causes my mood swings but I tell you it's so disturbing and annoying. One minute I'm feeling good then it changes for no reason that I can identify. Feels crap as I never had issues with low moods before but since 2015 it has just been getting worse not better. The Mental health services I find that there is a lack of resources. Not being funny but I highly doubt councillors or psychiatrists will diagnose a change of bus type as a reason for you getting depression. There are a couple life factors that I will not get into on a public platform such as this one that multiple experts have given as a reasoning for my problems. Maybe you don't like change in general, but I refuse to believe it's just one overall minor change that has triggered your mental health problems. I studied psychology and I never remembered seeing on the Holmes & Raye stress scale that the 55 allocation is one of the most stressful times in anyone's life. Now if anyone else wants to talk to me about this subject, you're free to private message me or at least find an appropriately titled thread. Somewhat surprised that I've been away from this thread for months and once I've come back, some are keen to ignore the title-related content I've brought forward. Let's get back on track line of route?
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