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Post by danorak on Oct 16, 2019 14:09:52 GMT
I wonder if more cuts are on the way. Or is this it. 🤔 I suspect that there will be more zone 1/2 cuts, COBO. The continual demos/problems around Westminster/Parliament Square lead me to believe that routes around there are likely candidates for further cuts, also I suspect TfL haven’t finished cutting around Oxford Circus either. If you want a left field idea of a route I think could go completely, I would venture to mention the 211. I would not be surprised to see more pedestrianisation around Whitehall/Westminster as a security measure in the coming years. I am surprised that there hasn't been a bit more rationalisation along the Strand (87 cut back to Whitehall, 91 to Waterloo if the 68 were to go).
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Post by rif153 on Oct 16, 2019 14:57:09 GMT
I suspect that there will be more zone 1/2 cuts, COBO. The continual demos/problems around Westminster/Parliament Square lead me to believe that routes around there are likely candidates for further cuts, also I suspect TfL haven’t finished cutting around Oxford Circus either. If you want a left field idea of a route I think could go completely, I would venture to mention the 211. I would not be surprised to see more pedestrianisation around Whitehall/Westminster as a security measure in the coming years. I am surprised that there hasn't been a bit more rationalisation along the Strand (87 cut back to Whitehall, 91 to Waterloo if the 68 were to go). Knowing TfL and their obssesion with reducing bus on bus congestion. thre is no more obvious choice than the Strand to implement such a policy. The road if at a standstill, and getting a bus from Aldwych to Trafalgar Square is still hopelessly slow despite the bus lane along there. I think the 6 will be cutback to at least Trafalgar Square, if not Piccadilly Circus, or who knows what trick TfL may have up their sleeve.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 16, 2019 14:59:03 GMT
I doubt the 211. Maybe even the 11 with something from Liverpool Street to Trafalgar Square and the 211 left to the rest maybe diverted via Worlds End I have no doubt that as we speak, TfL are scheming, and deivisng a plan to rationalise the 11, 19, and maybe even the 38 too.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 16, 2019 15:25:15 GMT
Give it the mayoral election I'd be amazed if they let the 19 lie. Look at the 13. Comes back in another guise.
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Post by rj131 on Oct 16, 2019 15:43:42 GMT
Give it the mayoral election I'd be amazed if they let the 19 lie. Look at the 13. Comes back in another guise. To be honest hopefully TfL’s financial situation starts improving after the mayoral election so cuts won’t be to be (as) aggressive. I really don’t think the Mayor would (if re-elected, and a new conservative mayor certainly wouldn’t) pledge another fares freeze after the havoc it’s caused to TfL’s finances already. (Obviously that’s no guarantee but I can’t see it happening in all honesty). And to further add to that, *if* the mayor scraps the fares freeze and fares revert to a yearly increase can you imagine the uproar if fares keep increasing but the bus services keep getting worse!
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 16, 2019 16:41:52 GMT
>>> Should've checked himself in and got his head checked out whilst he was at it! <<< In future, before you make comments like this please consider people like me who struggle with mental health issues. It isn't a joke for us. And you assume I don't have my fair share of mental health problems, such as suffering with chronic depression for 9 years?! The mere fact you didn't even quote me directly suggests you don't want to have a proper conversation about this, and create and us vs. them camp for others to galvanise around you. Some people, like myself, try to use laughter as a medicine. For example when I was hospitalised in March 2017 when the 5 group tender came out, I used humour then to rationalise me being in hospital; it's still a doozy of a shock now but I couldn't not link the two in my head. Pretty sure humour helped me then as my follow up visit period decreased from 4 months to one, and doctors were more than pleased with my upbeat attitude. Veering off course here but I assure you I'm not poking fun at mental health sufferers, just trying to make (I admit) a risqué comment regarding the Mayor. If he thinks he can decimate bus services in Labour heartlands like rif153 has mentioned with the 53 and think people will readily forget that come election time, well the son of a bus driver is in for a big shock! I'm pretty sure as well he chose to have a day out for PR on Monday so as to say he wasn't in office to view the chaotic tweets from the 48 withdrawal. Thank you for responding and putting your own point of view across. I don't want this to become a general discussion about mental health, but I would like to send you my support and best wishes.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 16, 2019 16:55:34 GMT
And I still think something could be vulnerable in the Holborn and Aldwych area. Even a cut back to Piccadilly or Trafalgar square or a route gone altogether. 68 very much has the look of the 48 to me. Covered by the 468 and 168 with plenty of routes covering through the central section. Rather than full withdrawal the 68 could ideally be rerouted at Herne Hill via South Croxted Road to Crystal Palace. That would result in less duplication with the 468 and could provide new direct bus links between Crystal Palace and central London using more or less existing resources.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 16, 2019 17:32:46 GMT
And I still think something could be vulnerable in the Holborn and Aldwych area. Even a cut back to Piccadilly or Trafalgar square or a route gone altogether. 68 very much has the look of the 48 to me. Covered by the 468 and 168 with plenty of routes covering through the central section. Rather than full withdrawal the 68 could ideally be rerouted at Herne Hill via South Croxted Road to Crystal Palace. That would result in less duplication with the 468 and could provide new direct bus links between Crystal Palace and central London using more or less existing resources. But that duplicates the 3 though.
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Post by snowman on Oct 17, 2019 11:57:57 GMT
TfL has just issued a new consultation for a cycleway in East London and it affects Lea Bridge Road roundabout. Has the following : Buses travelling westbound along the Cycleway to Lower Clapton Road via Lea Bridge Roundabout (48, 55 & 56) are expected to experience a delay of one to two minutes due to changes to the layout and signal operation of the roundabout. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/cycling/lea-bridge-to-dalston/so the 48 is expected to be delayed . . . what 48 ?
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Post by kmkcheng on Oct 17, 2019 12:18:08 GMT
TfL has just issued a new consultation for a cycleway in East London and it affects Lea Bridge Road roundabout. Has the following : Buses travelling westbound along the Cycleway to Lower Clapton Road via Lea Bridge Roundabout (48, 55 & 56) are expected to experience a delay of one to two minutes due to changes to the layout and signal operation of the roundabout. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/cycling/lea-bridge-to-dalston/so the 48 is expected to be delayed . . . what 48 ? Yes, likely a permanent delay where it may not turn up at all
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Post by zebedee104 on Oct 17, 2019 12:59:40 GMT
So I did a very scientific survey today, a walk down Lea Bridge Road this morning before the heavens opened from the Bakers Arms to Lea Bridge station, about 10am. In that time, ONE bus passed me heading into town. Yes one in about 20-25 minutes. It’s no wonder that people are moaning that they can’t get on buses.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 17, 2019 14:16:06 GMT
So I did a very scientific survey today, a walk down Lea Bridge Road this morning before the heavens opened from the Bakers Arms to Lea Bridge station, about 10am. In that time, ONE bus passed me heading into town. Yes one in about 20-25 minutes. It’s no wonder that people are moaning that they can’t get on buses. As a matter of interest, how many buses passed in the opposite direction? Was the one bus a 55, and did it appear to be full?
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 17, 2019 15:22:51 GMT
It doesn't seem to help that the 56 is u reliable at the moment aswell.
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Post by zebedee104 on Oct 17, 2019 16:29:21 GMT
So I did a very scientific survey today, a walk down Lea Bridge Road this morning before the heavens opened from the Bakers Arms to Lea Bridge station, about 10am. In that time, ONE bus passed me heading into town. Yes one in about 20-25 minutes. It’s no wonder that people are moaning that they can’t get on buses. As a matter of interest, how many buses passed in the opposite direction? Was the one bus a 55, and did it appear to be full? I was walking in a bit of a dreamworld tbh. It was a 55 going towards Oxford Circus, didn’t look full (but outside the rush). I noticed two 55s in quick succession going up the road towards Walthamstow, one with destination blinds merrily winding away as it was going along (changing destination or broken, who knows?). There could have been more, but I was on the “into town” side of the road.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 17, 2019 17:08:20 GMT
TfL has just issued a new consultation for a cycleway in East London and it affects Lea Bridge Road roundabout. Has the following : Buses travelling westbound along the Cycleway to Lower Clapton Road via Lea Bridge Roundabout (48, 55 & 56) are expected to experience a delay of one to two minutes due to changes to the layout and signal operation of the roundabout. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/cycling/lea-bridge-to-dalston/so the 48 is expected to be delayed . . . what 48 ? Whats the point in them even doing a consultation, they wouldn't listen and implement everything they set out anyway.
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