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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 8, 2020 11:55:09 GMT
Obviously loadings have changed a lot in the last few months, but before that happened it would be interesting to know if the revised services provided sufficient or indeed excess capacity. Apart from initial concerns about heavy loadings on the 55 and the 35 there really wasn’t very much comment.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2020 13:06:20 GMT
The 26 and 55 had some negative comment in the first week with people unable to board but that seems to have subsided pretty quick. That was the only complaints I heard about
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Post by COBO on Jul 12, 2020 3:01:48 GMT
I wonder if there will be part 2 of this consultation. Where there will be more routes cuts, more route mergers and routes being removed.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 12, 2020 6:00:19 GMT
Very possibly. There are still road schemes in the pipeline. Tfl have been made clear they have to make some savings over the next few years and central London is where the demand is likely to be lower for buses.
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Post by COBO on Jul 12, 2020 7:09:53 GMT
Very possibly. There are still road schemes in the pipeline. Tfl have been made clear they have to make some savings over the next few years and central London is where the demand is likely to be lower for buses. First is Convid-19 partially the blame for this? And is the rest of London going to receive the same type of shake up?
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Post by kmkcheng on Jul 12, 2020 10:10:32 GMT
Very possibly. There are still road schemes in the pipeline. Tfl have been made clear they have to make some savings over the next few years and central London is where the demand is likely to be lower for buses. First is Convid-19 partially the blame for this? And is the rest of London going to receive the same type of shake up? I would say Covid is partly to blame. More changes was likely going to happen anyway but Covid likely will accelerate these changes as TfL are now more worst off financially and travel patterns may change further as there could now be less demand for travel within central London. I wouldn’t be surprised if changes also happened in the outer London areas to make some more savings. I guess we will all wait and see what the future holds for the bus network
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 13:50:18 GMT
First is Convid-19 partially the blame for this? And is the rest of London going to receive the same type of shake up? I would say Covid is partly to blame. More changes was likely going to happen anyway but Covid likely will accelerate these changes as TfL are now more worst off financially and travel patterns may change further as there could now be less demand for travel within central London. I wouldn’t be surprised if changes also happened in the outer London areas to make some more savings. I guess we will all wait and see what the future holds for the bus network Interesting, I can see a further push to tube in central London and we could now potentially see schemes like the Oxford Street pedestrianisation going ahead. But I don’t see much change in outer London. Long term I can see offices and businesses moving away from Central London to smaller sites with a greater focus on parking and public transport connections. Just where I am areas like Croydon, Kingston, New Malden, Wimbledon etc could become hotspots for more offices and not everyone will drive to them. So I whilst I don’t see improvements in the outer areas I don’t see any cuts there either.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 12, 2020 16:33:04 GMT
I wonder if there will be part 2 of this consultation. Where there will be more routes cuts, more route mergers and routes being removed. I will be quite honest, I think I could see the 68 easily going. I would do my Canada Water changes which includes the 188 being rerouted between TBR & Waterloo Station via the 381, with the 381 cut off at London Bridge and with the new routing of the 188, could maybe be extended to Euston with the 171 extended to Waterloo.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 12, 2020 16:35:32 GMT
I would say Covid is partly to blame. More changes was likely going to happen anyway but Covid likely will accelerate these changes as TfL are now more worst off financially and travel patterns may change further as there could now be less demand for travel within central London. I wouldn’t be surprised if changes also happened in the outer London areas to make some more savings. I guess we will all wait and see what the future holds for the bus network Interesting, I can see a further push to tube in central London and we could now potentially see schemes like the Oxford Street pedestrianisation going ahead. But I don’t see much change in outer London. Long term I can see offices and businesses moving away from Central London to smaller sites with a greater focus on parking and public transport connections. Just where I am areas like Croydon, Kingston, New Malden, Wimbledon etc could become hotspots for more offices and not everyone will drive to them. So I whilst I don’t see improvements in the outer areas I don’t see any cuts there either. I really doubt that will happen. Central London is easily accessed for offices and I think businesses will have to look at who will be travelling in from where, and if it is easier to have it in Central London.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 12, 2020 17:11:16 GMT
I wonder if there will be part 2 of this consultation. Where there will be more routes cuts, more route mergers and routes being removed. I will be quite honest, I think I could see the 68 easily going. I would do my Canada Water changes which includes the 188 being rerouted between TBR & Waterloo Station via the 381, with the 381 cut off at London Bridge and with the new routing of the 188, could maybe be extended to Euston with the 171 extended to Waterloo. I don’t see the point of that, what has it got to do with the 68? More likely that the 188 will be cut back to Waterloo. You could just divert the 381 at Waterloo Road roundabout to Euston. That would create a faster link to Aldwych and Holborn from Bankside and Bermondsey, partly replacing the lost links of route RV1. You would no longer serve York Road or County Hall though.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 12, 2020 17:24:41 GMT
I will be quite honest, I think I could see the 68 easily going. I would do my Canada Water changes which includes the 188 being rerouted between TBR & Waterloo Station via the 381, with the 381 cut off at London Bridge and with the new routing of the 188, could maybe be extended to Euston with the 171 extended to Waterloo. I don’t see the point of that, what has it got to do with the 68? More likely that the 188 will be cut back to Waterloo. You could just divert the 381 at Waterloo Road roundabout to Euston. That would create a faster link to Aldwych and Holborn from Bankside and Bermondsey, partly replacing the lost links of route RV1. You would no longer serve York Road or County Hall though. The 68 does seem an obvious one......it's covered entirely by the 168 North of Elephant & Castle and by the 468 south of there. The 168 could possibly be rerouted to Camberwell Green to give more of a overlap?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 12, 2020 17:27:20 GMT
I will be quite honest, I think I could see the 68 easily going. I would do my Canada Water changes which includes the 188 being rerouted between TBR & Waterloo Station via the 381, with the 381 cut off at London Bridge and with the new routing of the 188, could maybe be extended to Euston with the 171 extended to Waterloo. I don’t see the point of that, what has it got to do with the 68? More likely that the 188 will be cut back to Waterloo. You could just divert the 381 at Waterloo Road roundabout to Euston. That would create a faster link to Aldwych and Holborn from Bankside and Bermondsey, partly replacing the lost links of route RV1. You would no longer serve York Road or County Hall though. I don't think the 68 will be withdrawn in relation to the 188, however sadly could be up for withdrawal in its own right. I can forsee many corridors made up out of three routes like the 468, 68 and 168 and 15, 115 and 5 where the middle route could potentially be withdrawn without too much uproar. However I'm not advocating that they should be under any circumstances. The 68s situation is a bit more volatile because the 468 and 168 both themselves meet up so broken links would be minimal, the obvious issue is overcrowding on the Norwood to Elephant section.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 12, 2020 17:48:20 GMT
The 68 was only going to go to Herne Hill in 1994 so it's possible TFL may consider the 468 adequate enough with maybe a couple of extra buses an hour if the 68 was pulled back to Herne Hill now.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2020 17:53:38 GMT
I don’t see the point of that, what has it got to do with the 68? More likely that the 188 will be cut back to Waterloo. You could just divert the 381 at Waterloo Road roundabout to Euston. That would create a faster link to Aldwych and Holborn from Bankside and Bermondsey, partly replacing the lost links of route RV1. You would no longer serve York Road or County Hall though. The 68 does seem an obvious one......it's covered entirely by the 168 North of Elephant & Castle and by the 468 south of there. The 168 could possibly be rerouted to Camberwell Green to give more of a overlap? How is the 68 obvious - it provides much needed assistance to the 468 even more so since that got needlessly cut. There is no stand space at Camberwell Green for the 168 and Old Kent Road requires it's current capacity otherwise, it would of already been pulled back.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 12, 2020 18:06:10 GMT
The 68 does seem an obvious one......it's covered entirely by the 168 North of Elephant & Castle and by the 468 south of there. The 168 could possibly be rerouted to Camberwell Green to give more of a overlap? How is the 68 obvious - it provides much needed assistance to the 468 even more so since that got needlessly cut. There is no stand space at Camberwell Green for the 168 and Old Kent Road requires it's current capacity otherwise, it would of already been pulled back. You can say any route provides much needed assistance..... and the 148 could be rerouted to Old Kent Road Tesco if indeed that survives.
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