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Post by dennistas on Feb 5, 2019 21:27:43 GMT
In the Bus Strategy update there is a reference to the "first part" of changes taking place "in the Spring" shortly after the consultation results are released. Therefore, to my surprise, looks like the changes will be done in more than one phase. It is also clear that TfL are intent on removing buses where they duplicate rail capacity in Zone 1. Buses will only remain on "non rail" served corridors. That means there will be next to no buses in Central London in a few years time as almost everywhere can be reached by tube or in rarer cases National Rail. So much for accessible transport options. Could the cuts all be done in March for exmaple every Saturday?
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 5, 2019 21:40:12 GMT
Unless that whole consultation is the first stage and there will be other consultations. Aldwych anybody?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 5, 2019 22:40:36 GMT
In the Bus Strategy update there is a reference to the "first part" of changes taking place "in the Spring" shortly after the consultation results are released. Therefore, to my surprise, looks like the changes will be done in more than one phase. It is also clear that TfL are intent on removing buses where they duplicate rail capacity in Zone 1. Buses will only remain on "non rail" served corridors. That means there will be next to no buses in Central London in a few years time as almost everywhere can be reached by tube or in rarer cases National Rail. So much for accessible transport options. Could the cuts all be done in March for exmaple every Saturday? March is already busy for tender changes and obviously some of those use vehicles released by the Central London changes. Given the linkages between changes because of the way that stand space has to be reallocated some have to happen pretty early on to release vehicles. I certainly expect the 11, 19, 22, 48, 67, 171, 242 and 311 changes to happen at the same time. Perhaps the TCR / Gower St / Russell St changes will come in a little later? The TfL report refers to "Spring" but I can't see the changes being as late as June - TfL want to maximise the savings so sooner rather than later is what they want.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 5, 2019 22:44:54 GMT
This might be the appropriate thread in which to quote First West of England's rationale for restoring a bus service in Bath that used to run from the University area into the city centre. The quote is from the current issue of Buses magazine, in the news section.
''While the centre of the city has been demonstrably clearer of traffic and cleaner of emissions, we have established beyond doubt that it is not possible to take a major bus service away from the city centre streets without major inconvenience to the users.'' Of course, First WoE are much freer agents than TfL to acknowledge their mistakes and make restorative action, but that sentence deserves to be emblazoned somewhere prominent in TfL's bus HQ.
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Post by dennistas on Feb 6, 2019 6:21:00 GMT
So the routes in their new form will be:
GROUP 1: Route 11 Victoria Station - Liverpool Street Route 19 Holborn - Finsbury Park Route 22 Putney Common - Piccadilly Circus Route 311 (New Route) Fulham Broadway - Oxford Circus
GROUP 2: Route 3 Whitehall - Crystal Palace Route 53 Lambeth North - Plumstead Stn
GROUP 3: Route 4 St Pauls, New Change - Archway Route 171 Elephant & Castle - Catford Garage Route 172 Aldwych - Brockley Rise
GROUP 4: Route 55 Walthamstow Central - Oxford Circus Route 67 Dalston Junction - Wood Green Route 242 Homerton Hospital - Aldgate
GROUP 5: Route 40 Clerkenwell Green - Dulwich Library Route 45 Elephant & Castle - Clapham Park Route 100 St Pauls - Shadwell Station Route 343 Aldgate - New Cross Gate
Routes 48 & RV1 will no longer operate.
Please correct/amend any errors or add any missing routes.
As you all can see there is a hell load of changes being done, and I literally had to make a list to get my head around them all.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 6, 2019 11:21:18 GMT
In the Bus Strategy update there is a reference to the "first part" of changes taking place "in the Spring" shortly after the consultation results are released. Therefore, to my surprise, looks like the changes will be done in more than one phase. It is also clear that TfL are intent on removing buses where they duplicate rail capacity in Zone 1. Buses will only remain on "non rail" served corridors. That means there will be next to no buses in Central London in a few years time as almost everywhere can be reached by tube or in rarer cases National Rail. So much for accessible transport options. Do you have a web link to the bus strategy update?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 6, 2019 11:31:16 GMT
In the Bus Strategy update there is a reference to the "first part" of changes taking place "in the Spring" shortly after the consultation results are released. Therefore, to my surprise, looks like the changes will be done in more than one phase. It is also clear that TfL are intent on removing buses where they duplicate rail capacity in Zone 1. Buses will only remain on "non rail" served corridors. That means there will be next to no buses in Central London in a few years time as almost everywhere can be reached by tube or in rarer cases National Rail. So much for accessible transport options. Do you have a web link to the bus strategy update? Snowman linked to the Customer Service and Ops Perf Meeting minutes in the "TfL Committees" thread elsewhere on the forum. The bus strategy update is in the Cttee papers.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 8, 2019 12:44:50 GMT
Interesting remark by Mike Brown from this week's Assembly Plenary on TfL matters. On discussing the Central London changes the Commissioner hinted that some aspects of the proposals may be changed in response to the scale of public comments. There was nothing specific said but I can't believe he'd make a remark like that if there was not an element of truth to it. I'm not going to get over excited about this but clearly my complete cynicism may end up being not entirely justified.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 12:58:55 GMT
Maybe explains why the results are still yet to be made public?
And with all bus companies needing a 3-4 week minimum notice from the release of the consultation results document, before any service change can be implemented, then TfL are running out of time if they want some of these changes to begin in March.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 8, 2019 13:26:09 GMT
I think the 48 would be top of the list for public outcry. Maybe the 19 aswell. The 53 may have gathered alot of support amongst SE London's to remain running to Whitehall.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 13:28:14 GMT
I think the 48 would be top of the list for public outcry. Maybe the 19 aswell. The 53 may have gathered alot of support amongst SE London's to remain running to Whitehall. Perhaps the 11 too?
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Post by dennistas on Feb 8, 2019 13:47:47 GMT
Maybe explains why the results are still yet to be made public?
And with all bus companies needing a 3-4 week minimum notice from the release of the consultation results document, before any service change can be implemented, then TfL are running out of time if they want some of these changes to begin in March. I really do wonder if these cuts will actually go ahead 😊?
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Post by M1104 on Feb 8, 2019 13:48:28 GMT
I think the 48 would be top of the list for public outcry. Maybe the 19 aswell. The 53 may have gathered alot of support amongst SE London's to remain running to Whitehall. I certainly wouldn't be surprised about the 19. In fact I'm still upset from all those years when the 88 was cut back from Mitcham. lol
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Post by snoggle on Feb 8, 2019 13:55:54 GMT
Maybe explains why the results are still yet to be made public?
And with all bus companies needing a 3-4 week minimum notice from the release of the consultation results document, before any service change can be implemented, then TfL are running out of time if they want some of these changes to begin in March. The Mayor did say the results would emerge "very soon" but we've heard that before. I do get a sense, though, that the end result has clearly gone across the Commissioner's desk and it's in the last stages of finalisation for publication. One thing that has changed recently is a statement that "further unused routes would see reductions over the next year or so". That's new as a statement which can be interpreted as TfL giving themselves a bit of headroom to not slash the Central London routes as severely as proposed. As ever we shall see if my guesswork is right or not.
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Post by dennistas on Feb 8, 2019 14:21:06 GMT
I really believe that majority people have disagreed with these changes and therefore TFL may be taking a 2nd thought about their decisions.
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