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Post by busaholic on Apr 22, 2019 20:09:37 GMT
Will there actually be av PVR increase on the 149? The wording was deliberately woolly, so you could read anything into it that you want. One extra bus, perhaps. I think the 388 rerouting to London Bridge will see off more than an odd extra journey on the 149 getting through to London Bridge, although I don't discount extra journeys terminating at Liverpool Street from the north in the peaks, just as they do from the west on the 8. 'With the flow' will, I suspect, be the name of the game too, which will be easier if London Bridge is taken out of the equation; then with-the-flow becomes southbound a.m. peak, northbound p.m peak. Expect to be shown to be wide of the mark in due course. No PVR increase on the 149. If correct, thank you.
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Post by richard on Apr 23, 2019 13:23:53 GMT
Will there actually be av PVR increase on the 149? The wording was deliberately woolly, so you could read anything into it that you want. One extra bus, perhaps. I think the 388 rerouting to London Bridge will see off more than an odd extra journey on the 149 getting through to London Bridge, although I don't discount extra journeys terminating at Liverpool Street from the north in the peaks, just as they do from the west on the 8. 'With the flow' will, I suspect, be the name of the game too, which will be easier if London Bridge is taken out of the equation; then with-the-flow becomes southbound a.m. peak, northbound p.m peak. Expect to be shown to be wide of the mark in due course. No PVR increase on the 149. According to the document it will from the 15th June
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 20:07:27 GMT
So we are just over a month away from the big changes I wonder if there will be any publicity from TfL!
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Post by lundnah on May 17, 2019 18:15:25 GMT
The PermBusChanges page is now offering some publicity.
The changes are listed area by area rather than route by route.
Most routes appear more than once.
Descriptions of individual changes are a bit vague.
There's a lot of text about how to get to your destination by changing buses.
There are no maps.
I doubt that most affected passengers would have the energy to plough through it all, assuming they even spotted it in the first place.
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Post by rif153 on May 17, 2019 22:03:22 GMT
The PermBusChanges page is now offering some publicity.
The changes are listed area by area rather than route by route.
Most routes appear more than once.
Descriptions of individual changes are a bit vague.
There's a lot of text about how to get to your destination by changing buses.
There are no maps.
I doubt that most affected passengers would have the energy to plough through it all, assuming they even spotted it in the first place.
The descriptions offered are very poor. It makes it feel as if someone just did it quickly to compensate for the lack a permanent bus changes PDF. 'Route 14 is re-routed to Russell Square. Routes 24 and 29/N29 can be used to reach Warren Street' if you aren't in the know how are you supposed to know whether the 14 will still get you to Tottenham Court Road or not that setence is very unclear. They really should have put maps in to provide an easy summary of the changes and where the affected route overlaps with an alternative route for interchange. The consultation was clearer and I don't see why those maps were not used again
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Post by dmncf on May 18, 2019 16:22:32 GMT
The PermBusChanges page is now offering some publicity.
The changes are listed area by area rather than route by route.
Most routes appear more than once.
Descriptions of individual changes are a bit vague.
There's a lot of text about how to get to your destination by changing buses.
There are no maps.
I doubt that most affected passengers would have the energy to plough through it all, assuming they even spotted it in the first place.
This text about the curtailment of route 25 annoys me: "Route 25 and N25 From Saturday 1 December 2018, route 25 will run between Ilford and City Thameslink/Holborn Circus only, except at night. It will no longer run between City Thameslink/Holborn Circus and Oxford Circus. Buses towards City Thameslink The last stop will be in Holborn Viaduct near City Thameslink station Customers continuing to Holborn station or Tottenham Court Road station can change at St Paul's station at the same stop (SQ) onto route 8 Customers continuing to Oxford Street or Oxford Circus need to change again at Tottenham Court Road (New Oxford Street) onto routes 55 or 98" Changing again at Tottenham Court Road from route 8 onto routes 55 or 98 is easier said than done, particularly if you're mobility-impaired - the route 8 stop is on St Giles High Street and is a long walk from the routes 55 or 98 stop on New Oxford Street.
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Post by danorak on May 18, 2019 17:47:04 GMT
The PermBusChanges page is now offering some publicity. The changes are listed area by area rather than route by route. Most routes appear more than once. Descriptions of individual changes are a bit vague.
There's a lot of text about how to get to your destination by changing buses.
There are no maps. I doubt that most affected passengers would have the energy to plough through it all, assuming they even spotted it in the first place.
Didn't see this before I posted on the 'Upcoming Changes' thread but I agree wholeheartedly. For such a significant set of changes, this level - and quality - of publicity is nowhere near good enough. Vague and unhelpful, and expecting the passenger to do the work rather than making it easy.
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Post by snowman on May 19, 2019 7:05:44 GMT
Now that it is official that cuts go ahead Saturday 15 June (with further batch in October), trying to work out what effects on fleets will be
4 changing from Waterloo, to Blackfriars might need save Metroline 2 buses 134 shortening probably saves Metroline a bus
35 needs more buses as frequency increased by a third from GoAhead 40 dropping Aldgate, but gaining section to Clerkenwell appears to need extra bus 76 cut back saves a few buses for GoAhead 100 extension might not require extra bus 171 cutback saves few buses 172 cutback saves few buses
45 cut Elephant- Kings Cross means Abellio need few less buses
53 being cut back and frequency dropped must save Stagecoach a bus or 2 205 running more directly and frequency cut should release bus or 2 for Stagecoach
59 shortening saves Arriva a bus 67 being cut south of Dalston saves Arriva a few buses 149 frequency cuts save some buses for Arriva 242 reroute and frequency cuts saves yet more buses for Arriva
388 cut back saves CT Plus few buses (and should allow Stagecoach loans to go back) The 388 gets lengthen again in October when it part replaces 48
RV1 withdrawn, so whole fleet of hydrogen buses spare at Tower Transit
So for this phase appears Arriva, Abellio and Tower Transit are the main losers Arriva won’t be scrapping the HVs , so small number of older deckers look vulnerable Abellio might send some of it’s older diesel deckers off lease
Looks like Metroline, GoAhead and RATP are not really taking any cuts on this phase Probably be few more EHs on 35, but that route seems to operate with mixture of types anyway.
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Post by Nathan on May 19, 2019 7:54:37 GMT
Now that it is official that cuts go ahead Saturday 15 June (with further batch in October), trying to work out what effects on fleets will be 4 changing from Waterloo, to effectively take over 388 south of Blackfriars might need extra Metroline bus 134 shortening probably saves Metroline a bus The 4 is being cut back and rerouted to Blackfriars only, so it will probably free up buses instead.
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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2019 10:19:00 GMT
Now that it is official that cuts go ahead Saturday 15 June (with further batch in October), trying to work out what effects on fleets will be 4 changing from Waterloo, to effectively take over 388 south of Blackfriars might need extra Metroline bus 134 shortening probably saves Metroline a bus The 4 is being cut back and rerouted to Blackfriars only, so it will probably free up buses instead. Given the 134's high frequency I'd expect its curtailment to save 2 or even 3 buses depending on how Metroline decide to construct the schedules. I agree that the cut to the 4 will likely save at least 2 buses possibly more. Run times are now so slow that even modestly frequent routes will throw up several spare buses if there is a major cut in route length as there is with route 4. The more I look at these upcoming cuts and the appalling lack of information the more I think it is a monumental disaster in the making.
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Post by redexpress on May 19, 2019 10:58:21 GMT
Now that it is official that cuts go ahead Saturday 15 June (with further batch in October), trying to work out what effects on fleets will be 35 needs more buses as frequency increased by a third from GoAhead 40 dropping Aldgate, but gaining section to Clerkenwell appears to need extra bus 76 cut back saves a few buses for GoAhead 100 extension might not require extra bus 171 cutback saves few buses 172 cutback saves few buses Looks like Metroline, GoAhead and RATP are not really taking any cuts on this phase Probably be few more EHs on 35, but that route seems to operate with mixture of types anyway. The Go-Ahead PVR changes (as communicated to staff) were posted on here a while ago, although I can't remember which thread it was in. I do remember that it included a -6 reduction on the 476 (mostly due to frequency reduction, as well as cutback to King's Cross). 35 increase was quite hefty - something like +8?
The 134 situation is odd because the cutback to Warren Street was already known at the time of the tender award, yet the number of electric buses ordered - 31 - seems to match the current PVR of 27.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 19, 2019 11:14:31 GMT
Now that it is official that cuts go ahead Saturday 15 June (with further batch in October), trying to work out what effects on fleets will be 4 changing from Waterloo, to Blackfriars might need save Metroline 2 buses 134 shortening probably saves Metroline a bus 35 needs more buses as frequency increased by a third from GoAhead 40 dropping Aldgate, but gaining section to Clerkenwell appears to need extra bus 76 cut back saves a few buses for GoAhead 100 extension might not require extra bus 171 cutback saves few buses 172 cutback saves few buses 45 cut Elephant- Kings Cross means Abellio need few less buses 53 being cut back and frequency dropped must save Stagecoach a bus or 2 205 running more directly and frequency cut should release bus or 2 for Stagecoach 59 shortening saves Arriva a bus 67 being cut south of Dalston saves Arriva a few buses 149 frequency cuts save some buses for Arriva 242 reroute and frequency cuts saves yet more buses for Arriva 388 cut back saves CT Plus few buses (and should allow Stagecoach loans to go back) The 388 gets lengthen again in October when it part replaces 48 RV1 withdrawn, so whole fleet of hydrogen buses spare at Tower Transit So for this phase appears Arriva, Abellio and Tower Transit are the main losers Arriva won’t be scrapping the HVs , so small number of older deckers look vulnerable Abellio might send some of it’s older diesel deckers off lease Looks like Metroline, GoAhead and RATP are not really taking any cuts on this phase Probably be few more EHs on 35, but that route seems to operate with mixture of types anyway. Thank you for your detailed count. Within GA a few EHs from routes 171 & 172 seem likely to switch to route 35. It may even balance out allocations better to move route 171 to Q and route 185 to NX. Within Arriva I doubt many if any older double-deckers will be withdrawn at this stage. I reckon they will be held back for route 34. Come October, if all the spare HVs - including any from a current route gaining route 48 LTs not needed for route 55 - total more than are needed for route 34, then yes, some will start the hybridisation of route 102.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 11:17:57 GMT
Now that it is official that cuts go ahead Saturday 15 June (with further batch in October), trying to work out what effects on fleets will be 4 changing from Waterloo, to Blackfriars might need save Metroline 2 buses 134 shortening probably saves Metroline a bus 35 needs more buses as frequency increased by a third from GoAhead 40 dropping Aldgate, but gaining section to Clerkenwell appears to need extra bus 76 cut back saves a few buses for GoAhead 100 extension might not require extra bus 171 cutback saves few buses 172 cutback saves few buses 45 cut Elephant- Kings Cross means Abellio need few less buses 53 being cut back and frequency dropped must save Stagecoach a bus or 2 205 running more directly and frequency cut should release bus or 2 for Stagecoach 59 shortening saves Arriva a bus 67 being cut south of Dalston saves Arriva a few buses 149 frequency cuts save some buses for Arriva 242 reroute and frequency cuts saves yet more buses for Arriva 388 cut back saves CT Plus few buses (and should allow Stagecoach loans to go back) The 388 gets lengthen again in October when it part replaces 48 RV1 withdrawn, so whole fleet of hydrogen buses spare at Tower Transit So for this phase appears Arriva, Abellio and Tower Transit are the main losers Arriva won’t be scrapping the HVs , so small number of older deckers look vulnerable Abellio might send some of it’s older diesel deckers off lease Looks like Metroline, GoAhead and RATP are not really taking any cuts on this phase Probably be few more EHs on 35, but that route seems to operate with mixture of types anyway. Thank you for your detailed count. Within GA a few EHs from routes 171 & 172 seem likely to switch to route 35. It may even balance out allocations better to move route 171 to Q and route 185 to NX. Within Arriva I doubt many if any older double-deckers will be withdrawn at this stage. I reckon they will be held back for route 34. Come October, if all the spare HVs - including any from a current route gaining route 48 LTs not needed for route 55 - total more than are needed for route 34, then yes, some will start the hybridisation of route 102. Why would the 185 move to New Cross when it passes directly outside Camberwell and goes nowhere near New Cross?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 19, 2019 11:21:40 GMT
Thank you for your detailed count. Within GA a few EHs from routes 171 & 172 seem likely to switch to route 35. It may even balance out allocations better to move route 171 to Q and route 185 to NX. Within Arriva I doubt many if any older double-deckers will be withdrawn at this stage. I reckon they will be held back for route 34. Come October, if all the spare HVs - including any from a current route gaining route 48 LTs not needed for route 55 - total more than are needed for route 34, then yes, some will start the hybridisation of route 102. Why would the 185 move to New Cross when it passes directly outside Camberwell and goes nowhere near New Cross? Route 185 goes as near NX as route 178 does. Depending on revised pvr's, I notice that NX routes 171 & 172 are losing buses while Q route 35 is gaining buses.
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Post by rif153 on May 19, 2019 11:26:27 GMT
Why would the 185 move to New Cross when it passes directly outside Camberwell and goes nowhere near New Cross? Route 185 goes as near NX as route 178 does. Depending on revised pvr's, I notice that NX routes 171 & 172 are losing buses while Q route 35 is gaining buses. Remember NX's 343 is gaining buses too
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