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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 17, 2019 19:38:31 GMT
The 343 stands in Aldgate Bus Station, in the left hand lane as you arrive. This is to allow passengers to be set down as the bus arrives. Thanks! the odd thing is it shows on LVF as stopping at Aldgate Station (With departures) were as I assume the first stop after Aldgate Bus Station would be Minories? What they seem to be doing is leaving the bus station, then taking a right as they can't take a left then looping via Houndsditch. Why on earth this completely bizarre arrangement is in place is beyond me as by that point it's pretty much at Liverpool Street. The 40 used to do similar but its last and first stops were on St Botolph street as well as the stand being on Houndsditch meaning they wouldn't often lose much time. It would make a lot more sense to just use the 40 stand
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Post by redbus on Jun 17, 2019 19:44:31 GMT
Thanks! the odd thing is it shows on LVF as stopping at Aldgate Station (With departures) were as I assume the first stop after Aldgate Bus Station would be Minories? What they seem to be doing is leaving the bus station, then taking a right as they can't take a left then looping via Houndsditch. Why on earth this completely bizarre arrangement is in place is beyond me as by that point it's pretty much at Liverpool Street. The 40 used to do similar but its last and first stops were on St Botolph street as well as the stand being on Houndsditch meaning they wouldn't often lose much time. It would make a lot more sense to just use the 40 stand I have no idea why buses could not be allowed to left out of the bus station. This combined with the long winded turn just show how poor the removal of the Aldgate one-way system was in respect of buses. It could and should have been so much better.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 17, 2019 19:52:06 GMT
Thanks! the odd thing is it shows on LVF as stopping at Aldgate Station (With departures) were as I assume the first stop after Aldgate Bus Station would be Minories? What they seem to be doing is leaving the bus station, then taking a right as they can't take a left then looping via Houndsditch. Why on earth this completely bizarre arrangement is in place is beyond me as by that point it's pretty much at Liverpool Street. The 40 used to do similar but its last and first stops were on St Botolph street as well as the stand being on Houndsditch meaning they wouldn't often lose much time. It would make a lot more sense to just use the 40 stand The first pick up stop for the 343 is showing as 58621 which is shared with a load of routes including the 42, 254, 115 and 242. I assume the position of this stop makes it impossible to be reached by using a left turn from the bus station hence the convoluted loop to be able to serve it. This is what happens when you remove roundabouts. How much time and fuel must be wasted by this? Bet that wasn't in the business case for removing the gyratory.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 19:54:29 GMT
A few tweets and Blog link
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Post by rif153 on Jun 17, 2019 20:33:02 GMT
A few tweets and Blog link
I sympathise with both these people. The 40 cut was a ludicrous decision when buses were so well used in the London Bridge area meanwhile its wasn't uncommon to see 343S carrying fresh air north of Elephant. How ironic that TFL deemed two Camberwell-Monument routes superfluous and now the 35 is struggling. The 40 was one of my favourite routes in London before it was meddled with. The 40 to Clerkenwell Green is weak mitigation for the 45 and ironically just parallels the 63 even more than the 45 did. I really don't see what deludes TfL into thinking there are hoardes of people who want to go from Elephant to Farringdon, I can't remember the last time I saw more than five people on a 172 on Farringdon Street, maybe the 40's more direct routeing to Farringdon will help bring a popular link to Crossrail from the South but I can't see the need for two Farrindgon-Elephant routes, I suspect the extended 40 is partly a relief for the 63 which is picking up the ex-45 punters. The bus network is being destroyed. I'm all for making changes where necesarry, in the current financial climate I can see justifcatiom for some of the cuts TfL made, Central London did have some superfluous capacity. The problem comes when well used routes are constantly being tampered and replaced with poor substitutes. Some may suggeset I am stubborn but I find it hard to keep faith in a bus network which TfL seem determined to destroy, cut after cut makes the bus network more impractical and less appealing. Yes I'm an enthusiast and that makes me less reluctant to change but I'm close to reaching a point where I cannot bear the state of the bus network anymore. Hammersmith Bus Station just makes me angry when I see the 23 and LTs on the 27. I'm sure if I went to Elephant and saw 40s on London Road I would feel the same way.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 17, 2019 21:13:33 GMT
I think Farringdon could have been left to the 63 with maybe an additional peak journey or two.
As for the 23 at Hammersmith the only other option TFL would have considered is cutting the 10 to Marble Arch as Oxford Street was aways going to loose routes and the 30/390 and 73 from Oxo are deemed enough for that section. Joining the 10 with the 23 atleast solved a stand space issue.
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Post by rj131 on Jun 17, 2019 21:30:42 GMT
A few tweets and Blog link
I sympathise with both these people. The 40 cut was a ludicrous decision when buses were so well used in the London Bridge area meanwhile its wasn't uncommon to see 343S carrying fresh air north of Elephant. How ironic that TFL deemed two Camberwell-Monument routes superfluous and now the 35 is struggling. The 40 was one of my favourite routes in London before it was meddled with. The 40 to Clerkenwell Green is weak mitigation for the 45 and ironically just parallels the 63 even more than the 45 did. I really don't see what deludes TfL into thinking there are hoardes of people who want to go from Elephant to Farringdon, I can't remember the last time I saw more than five people on a 172 on Farringdon Street, maybe the 40's more direct routeing to Farringdon will help bring a popular link to Crossrail from the South but I can't see the need for two Farrindgon-Elephant routes, I suspect the extended 40 is partly a relief for the 63 which is picking up the ex-45 punters. The bus network is being destroyed. I'm all for making changes where necesarry, in the current financial climate I can see justifcatiom for some of the cuts TfL made, Central London did have some superfluous capacity. The problem comes when well used routes are constantly being tampered and replaced with poor substitutes. Some may suggeset I am stubborn but I find it hard to keep faith in a bus network which TfL seem determined to destroy, cut after cut makes the bus network more impractical and less appealing. Yes I'm an enthusiast and that makes me less reluctant to change but I'm close to reaching a point where I cannot bear the state of the bus network anymore. Hammersmith Bus Station just makes me angry when I see the 23 and LTs on the 27. I'm sure if I went to Elephant and saw 40s on London Road I would feel the same way. I love how TfL aren’t replying to these comments and rather ironically what they’re not saying absolutely says it all. What can they say? ‘Thanks for the info, we’ll look into it’, yeah right lol. I wonder if they’ll ever do a U-turn with this change like they’ve done so many times before now.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 17, 2019 21:34:37 GMT
What they seem to be doing is leaving the bus station, then taking a right as they can't take a left then looping via Houndsditch. Why on earth this completely bizarre arrangement is in place is beyond me as by that point it's pretty much at Liverpool Street. The 40 used to do similar but its last and first stops were on St Botolph street as well as the stand being on Houndsditch meaning they wouldn't often lose much time. It would make a lot more sense to just use the 40 stand The first pick up stop for the 343 is showing as 58621 which is shared with a load of routes including the 42, 254, 115 and 242. I assume the position of this stop makes it impossible to be reached by using a left turn from the bus station hence the convoluted loop to be able to serve it. This is what happens when you remove roundabouts. How much time and fuel must be wasted by this? Bet that wasn't in the business case for removing the gyratory. And that stretch is so jam packed throughout the day. I use the 135 quite often and I have to go to Liverpool street, I prefer getting down at Aldgate east / Dukes place as its faster to walk
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Post by redbus on Jun 17, 2019 21:58:51 GMT
I think Farringdon could have been left to the 63 with maybe an additional peak journey or two. As for the 23 at Hammersmith the only other option TFL would have considered is cutting the 10 to Marble Arch as Oxford Street was aways going to loose routes and the 30/390 and 73 from Oxo are deemed enough for that section. Joining the 10 with the 23 atleast solved a stand space issue. Call me old fashioned if you will, but I was under the impression, perhaps now mistakenly, that the purpose of the bus service was to provide an attractive service for passengers that met their needs. If lots if people want to continue to take their bus down Oxford Street, that demand should be met. Likewise a major central London rail station such as Fenchurch should have a bus service.
Remember many of those using the bus in Oxford Street go shopping, spend money and help the local economy. They are just as likely to go and shop on the internet as to persist with less convenient transport once you remove the bus service.
An attractive bus service is a really important method of transport in London and this type of change will cause problems.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 17, 2019 22:52:41 GMT
I think Farringdon could have been left to the 63 with maybe an additional peak journey or two. As for the 23 at Hammersmith the only other option TFL would have considered is cutting the 10 to Marble Arch as Oxford Street was aways going to loose routes and the 30/390 and 73 from Oxo are deemed enough for that section. Joining the 10 with the 23 atleast solved a stand space issue. Call me old fashioned if you will, but I was under the impression, perhaps now mistakenly, that the purpose of the bus service was to provide an attractive service for passengers that met their needs. If lots if people want to continue to take their bus down Oxford Street, that demand should be met. Likewise a major central London rail station such as Fenchurch should have a bus service.
Remember many of those using the bus in Oxford Street go shopping, spend money and help the local economy. They are just as likely to go and shop on the internet as to persist with less convenient transport once you remove the bus service.
An attractive bus service is a really important method of transport in London and this type of change will cause problems.
You are confusing London with a deregulated area ...
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Post by vjaska on Jun 18, 2019 1:07:58 GMT
A few tweets and Blog link
I sympathise with both these people. The 40 cut was a ludicrous decision when buses were so well used in the London Bridge area meanwhile its wasn't uncommon to see 343S carrying fresh air north of Elephant. How ironic that TFL deemed two Camberwell-Monument routes superfluous and now the 35 is struggling. The 40 was one of my favourite routes in London before it was meddled with. The 40 to Clerkenwell Green is weak mitigation for the 45 and ironically just parallels the 63 even more than the 45 did. I really don't see what deludes TfL into thinking there are hoardes of people who want to go from Elephant to Farringdon, I can't remember the last time I saw more than five people on a 172 on Farringdon Street, maybe the 40's more direct routeing to Farringdon will help bring a popular link to Crossrail from the South but I can't see the need for two Farrindgon-Elephant routes, I suspect the extended 40 is partly a relief for the 63 which is picking up the ex-45 punters. The bus network is being destroyed. I'm all for making changes where necesarry, in the current financial climate I can see justifcatiom for some of the cuts TfL made, Central London did have some superfluous capacity. The problem comes when well used routes are constantly being tampered and replaced with poor substitutes. Some may suggeset I am stubborn but I find it hard to keep faith in a bus network which TfL seem determined to destroy, cut after cut makes the bus network more impractical and less appealing. Yes I'm an enthusiast and that makes me less reluctant to change but I'm close to reaching a point where I cannot bear the state of the bus network anymore. Hammersmith Bus Station just makes me angry when I see the 23 and LTs on the 27. I'm sure if I went to Elephant and saw 40s on London Road I would feel the same way. There was so many alternative uses they could of done with the 45 but because they all involve spending money, they just hack it to pieces instead - I mean, a link from Holborn Circus to Oxford Circus by diverting the 45 would at least give 25 passengers a chance of reaching it's former destination, leave the 35 & 40 as it is (even though the 35 change should give some assistance to the 37 between Brixton & Clapham Junction) and cut the 343 back to Elephant instead which is easily a far less damaging cut than the 45's one.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 18, 2019 7:37:14 GMT
Wasn't the 343s extension thou to replace part of the RV1. Not sure how much demand there will be from the City Hall stand over Tower Bridge thou.
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Post by foxhat on Jun 18, 2019 8:45:01 GMT
A few tweets and Blog link
I sympathise with both these people. The 40 cut was a ludicrous decision when buses were so well used in the London Bridge area meanwhile its wasn't uncommon to see 343S carrying fresh air north of Elephant. How ironic that TFL deemed two Camberwell-Monument routes superfluous and now the 35 is struggling. The 40 was one of my favourite routes in London before it was meddled with. The 40 to Clerkenwell Green is weak mitigation for the 45 and ironically just parallels the 63 even more than the 45 did. I really don't see what deludes TfL into thinking there are hoardes of people who want to go from Elephant to Farringdon, I can't remember the last time I saw more than five people on a 172 on Farringdon Street, maybe the 40's more direct routeing to Farringdon will help bring a popular link to Crossrail from the South but I can't see the need for two Farrindgon-Elephant routes, I suspect the extended 40 is partly a relief for the 63 which is picking up the ex-45 punters. The bus network is being destroyed. I'm all for making changes where necesarry, in the current financial climate I can see justifcatiom for some of the cuts TfL made, Central London did have some superfluous capacity. The problem comes when well used routes are constantly being tampered and replaced with poor substitutes. Some may suggeset I am stubborn but I find it hard to keep faith in a bus network which TfL seem determined to destroy, cut after cut makes the bus network more impractical and less appealing. Yes I'm an enthusiast and that makes me less reluctant to change but I'm close to reaching a point where I cannot bear the state of the bus network anymore. Hammersmith Bus Station just makes me angry when I see the 23 and LTs on the 27. I'm sure if I went to Elephant and saw 40s on London Road I would feel the same way. Given Elephant to Farringdon is also well connected by a very fast and frequent Thameslink service, one route is more than enough. Can see the 40 being tinkered with further, or perhaps the 63.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 18, 2019 9:30:35 GMT
A few tweets and Blog link
The problem is insufficient income ... the choice is either bus cuts or making some people/everybody pay more. Both seem unpalatable to the many on here that want neither! All those campaigning for noone pays more ... you have the cuts you deserve.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 18, 2019 9:31:20 GMT
I sympathise with both these people. The 40 cut was a ludicrous decision when buses were so well used in the London Bridge area meanwhile its wasn't uncommon to see 343S carrying fresh air north of Elephant. How ironic that TFL deemed two Camberwell-Monument routes superfluous and now the 35 is struggling. The 40 was one of my favourite routes in London before it was meddled with. The 40 to Clerkenwell Green is weak mitigation for the 45 and ironically just parallels the 63 even more than the 45 did. I really don't see what deludes TfL into thinking there are hoardes of people who want to go from Elephant to Farringdon, I can't remember the last time I saw more than five people on a 172 on Farringdon Street, maybe the 40's more direct routeing to Farringdon will help bring a popular link to Crossrail from the South but I can't see the need for two Farrindgon-Elephant routes, I suspect the extended 40 is partly a relief for the 63 which is picking up the ex-45 punters. The bus network is being destroyed. I'm all for making changes where necesarry, in the current financial climate I can see justifcatiom for some of the cuts TfL made, Central London did have some superfluous capacity. The problem comes when well used routes are constantly being tampered and replaced with poor substitutes. Some may suggeset I am stubborn but I find it hard to keep faith in a bus network which TfL seem determined to destroy, cut after cut makes the bus network more impractical and less appealing. Yes I'm an enthusiast and that makes me less reluctant to change but I'm close to reaching a point where I cannot bear the state of the bus network anymore. Hammersmith Bus Station just makes me angry when I see the 23 and LTs on the 27. I'm sure if I went to Elephant and saw 40s on London Road I would feel the same way. Given Elephant to Farringdon is also well connected by a very fast and frequent Thameslink service, one route is more than enough. Can see the 40 being tinkered with further, or perhaps the 63. I think it's worth having more than one route over Blackfriars Bridge, but the 40 rerouting seems pointless when it parallels the 63 - whereas previously the 45 & 388 provided more varied links. Perhaps re-extend route 4 to Waterloo, but instead via Blackfriars Bridge and Stamford Street.
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