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Post by rj131 on Jun 19, 2019 21:05:08 GMT
Bank/Monument Station is a complete disaster now, I paid a visit on Monday and Tuesday and even off peak it was severely overcrowded however recently they seem to have been closing it every peak. The DLR being suspended this evening seems to have taken matters to breaking point I hope TfL are happy they've caused this, thankfully the Elizabeth Line has given the Central Line some added capacity. There's also been plenty of reports of people being left behind on the buses during the rush hour as well. Precisely what has caused this? Fed up 35 passengers who now can’t board buses because of the 40 being taken away? Surely the Central London bus cuts alone couldn’t have caused this sudden spike in overcrowding? (Not that Bank wasn’t overcrowded anyway as it is)
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 19, 2019 21:12:36 GMT
Bank/Monument Station is a complete disaster now, I paid a visit on Monday and Tuesday and even off peak it was severely overcrowded however recently they seem to have been closing it every peak. The DLR being suspended this evening seems to have taken matters to breaking point I hope TfL are happy they've caused this, thankfully the Elizabeth Line has given the Central Line some added capacity. There's also been plenty of reports of people being left behind on the buses during the rush hour as well. Precisely what has caused this? Fed up 35 passengers who now can’t board buses because of the 40 being taken away? Surely the Central London bus cuts alone couldn’t have caused this sudden spike in overcrowding? (Not that Bank wasn’t overcrowded anyway as it is) Today evening was caused by an issue on the Jubilee Line which caused overcrowding at DLR stations which also resulted in the DLR being suspended, however from experience and looking at Twitter Bank has been far worse than it was before the cuts. What's funny is when I passed through on Monday the queue for the Central Line was reaching up the stairs which lead to the DLR/W&C so you can almost pinpoint the problem starting on that day. I'm assuming the 35 and 40 have something to do with this, most tube alternatives for those routes take you through Bank. However also could be some displaced 388 passengers who are going to Elephant. Or maybe even 45 passengers trying to get into the City from Elephant and changing at Bank for the Central Line.
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Post by rj131 on Jun 19, 2019 21:22:10 GMT
Precisely what has caused this? Fed up 35 passengers who now can’t board buses because of the 40 being taken away? Surely the Central London bus cuts alone couldn’t have caused this sudden spike in overcrowding? (Not that Bank wasn’t overcrowded anyway as it is) Today evening was caused by an issue on the Jubilee Line which caused overcrowding at DLR stations which also resulted in the DLR being suspended, however from experience and looking at Twitter Bank has been far worse than it was before the cuts. What's funny is when I passed through on Monday the queue for the Central Line was reaching up the stairs which lead to the DLR/W&C so you can almost pinpoint the problem starting on that day. I'm assuming the 35 and 40 have something to do with this, most tube alternatives for those routes take you through Bank. However also could be some displaced 388 passengers who are going to Elephant. Or maybe even 45 passengers trying to get into the City from Elephant and changing at Bank for the Central Line. Not to mention safety concerns that will be caused by this, the Central Line more than most because trying to traverse that almighty gap onto the train with a huge crowd behind you pressurising you it’s absolutely not fun, it’s bloody horrible actually. This can’t go on, I’m pretty sure we’ll see some U-turns soon because this is just unacceptable. If the delay in the 48 withdrawal is down to what snoggle hinted at, being able to claim the initial cuts are going well and aren’t affecting passengers to a great degree, then it’s looking like it will backfire quite profusely. Safety cannot compromise anything, and I mean ANYTHING. So if these changes are causing dangerous overcrowding something needs to be done ASAP. Not to mention the 48 going will put YET MORE pressure on Bank!! Seeing Bank tomorrow in the rush hour when hopefully everything is running smoothly will be interesting. Then it can be a properly fair comparison of before and after the bus cuts with the same external circumstances. I’m in London next Wednesday so I’ll be sure to pass through Bank now you’ve raised my attention to it to see what’s different. I’ve used Bank at rush hour many many times before so I’d love to see how much worse it is for myself
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Post by redbus on Jun 19, 2019 21:36:38 GMT
Today evening was caused by an issue on the Jubilee Line which caused overcrowding at DLR stations which also resulted in the DLR being suspended, however from experience and looking at Twitter Bank has been far worse than it was before the cuts. What's funny is when I passed through on Monday the queue for the Central Line was reaching up the stairs which lead to the DLR/W&C so you can almost pinpoint the problem starting on that day. I'm assuming the 35 and 40 have something to do with this, most tube alternatives for those routes take you through Bank. However also could be some displaced 388 passengers who are going to Elephant. Or maybe even 45 passengers trying to get into the City from Elephant and changing at Bank for the Central Line. Not to mention safety concerns that will be caused by this, the Central Line more than most because trying to traverse that almighty gap onto the train with a huge crowd behind you pressurising you it’s absolutely not fun, it’s bloody horrible actually. This can’t go on, I’m pretty sure we’ll see some U-turns soon because this is just unacceptable. If the delay in the 48 withdrawal is down to what snoggle hinted at, being able to claim the initial cuts are going well and aren’t affecting passengers to a great degree, then it’s looking like it will backfire quite profusely. Safety cannot compromise anything, and I mean ANYTHING. So if these changes are causing dangerous overcrowding something needs to be done ASAP. Not to mention the 48 going will put YET MORE pressure on Bank!! Seeing Bank tomorrow in the rush hour when hopefully everything is running smoothly will be interesting. Then it can be a properly fair comparison of before and after the bus cuts with the same external circumstances. I’m in London next Wednesday so I’ll be sure to pass through Bank now you’ve raised my attention to it to see what’s different. I’ve used Bank at rush hour many many times before so I’d love to see how much worse it is for myself On the one hand we keep being told that buses are running around empty and have lost loads of patronage - that's the key justification for these bus cuts.
On the hand from what you report is that co-incidentally (and I never like these sort of co-incidences) all of a sudden there are more passengers at Bank / Monument pushing crowding beyond the brink and forcing the temporary closure of the station. Assuming this continues when there are no DLR / Jubilee line problems etc, then it will be a hot favourite that the bus cuts caused this. TfL will then need to explain themselves as they were only supposed to be withdrawing spare unused bus capacity.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 19, 2019 21:54:00 GMT
Today evening was caused by an issue on the Jubilee Line which caused overcrowding at DLR stations which also resulted in the DLR being suspended, however from experience and looking at Twitter Bank has been far worse than it was before the cuts. What's funny is when I passed through on Monday the queue for the Central Line was reaching up the stairs which lead to the DLR/W&C so you can almost pinpoint the problem starting on that day. I'm assuming the 35 and 40 have something to do with this, most tube alternatives for those routes take you through Bank. However also could be some displaced 388 passengers who are going to Elephant. Or maybe even 45 passengers trying to get into the City from Elephant and changing at Bank for the Central Line. Not to mention safety concerns that will be caused by this, the Central Line more than most because trying to traverse that almighty gap onto the train with a huge crowd behind you pressurising you it’s absolutely not fun, it’s bloody horrible actually. This can’t go on, I’m pretty sure we’ll see some U-turns soon because this is just unacceptable. If the delay in the 48 withdrawal is down to what snoggle hinted at, being able to claim the initial cuts are going well and aren’t affecting passengers to a great degree, then it’s looking like it will backfire quite profusely. Safety cannot compromise anything, and I mean ANYTHING. So if these changes are causing dangerous overcrowding something needs to be done ASAP. Not to mention the 48 going will put YET MORE pressure on Bank!! Seeing Bank tomorrow in the rush hour when hopefully everything is running smoothly will be interesting. Then it can be a properly fair comparison of before and after the bus cuts with the same external circumstances. I’m in London next Wednesday so I’ll be sure to pass through Bank now you’ve raised my attention to it to see what’s different. I’ve used Bank at rush hour many many times before so I’d love to see how much worse it is for myself Before we all get too excited it is worth saying we are only three days into the changes. People will inevitably be investigating alternative journey options that may lead to short term issues. It is far too early to reach any sort of conclusion other than some routes may be under extra strain. When you throw in a huge tube disruption, as the Jub Line one was, then all bets are off as to what is going on because people end up all over the place trying to get around. I am not defending what TfL have done but we sort of need to step back and wait a while. If nothing has changed for the better in 4 weeks or so then some initial conclusions can no doubt be drawn. Also worth noting that we are approaching Summer holiday season which dampens demand down a lot so it will be the Autumn before the pressure on the system can be properly determined.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 19, 2019 22:08:43 GMT
I wonder if the 388 could be re extended to Elephant but via London Bridge this time. Stand space would be an issue thou but if it's going to replace the 48 to LB it wouldn't be much mroe to run down Borough High Street.
Alternatively extend something from Elephant up to LB. I know the 48s stand is being taken by the 388 but it's only every 12 mins so maybe could juggle to get another route in. Take your pic of the 136, 155, 333, 363.
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Post by rj131 on Jun 19, 2019 22:30:57 GMT
After this discussion I had a quick scroll through the Jubilee Line twitter feed to see what caused the Bank overcrowding this morning and tonight. Turns out the Jubilee line had severe delays in this morning’s rush hour due to a faulty train at Southwark, then a suspension between Finchley Road and London Bridge due to a fire alert in the evening rush hour. If that wasn’t bad enough the line had another suspension just a little while ago between Wembley and Stanmore (severe everywhere else) because of a customer incident!
For whatever reason today the line seems to be completely cursed, what a day!
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jun 19, 2019 23:58:29 GMT
From a East Dulwich perspective, the 40 seems to be carrying fresh air rather than passengers who'd get on to go to London Bridge (for Guys) in comparison to last week. All this has done will send able bodied passengers onto the Southern trains and those with health issues onto cabs.
So we have the 40 which has lost its purpose with a bus every 8 mins, while the 176 has had even more LT's imposed on the route which aren't the best every 10 mins, while the 185 continues to be very busy which may be down to passengers deciding to use the 185 to Oval and then the Northern line to London Bridge instead.
TfL *slow clap*
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Post by routew15 on Jun 20, 2019 8:16:30 GMT
After this discussion I had a quick scroll through the Jubilee Line twitter feed to see what caused the Bank overcrowding this morning and tonight. Turns out the Jubilee line had severe delays in this morning’s rush hour due to a faulty train at Southwark, then a suspension between Finchley Road and London Bridge due to a fire alert in the evening rush hour. If that wasn’t bad enough the line had another suspension just a little while ago between Wembley and Stanmore (severe everywhere else) because of a customer incident! For whatever reason today the line seems to be completely cursed, what a day! I would just like to mention, Bank Station closes during AM peak frequently as the Northern line platforms/lower concourse cannot cope with the amount of passengers leaving or entering. Overcrowding can occur at this station without disruption to any tube lines, this is just the levels of demand on the station. A lot of the closures are not reported on Twitter or even by platform staff at proceeding stations, as the closure or non stopping of trains, as prompt but can equally be short lived.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 20, 2019 9:48:28 GMT
I know there have been reports of busy buses between Clapham Junction and Common but I can help thinking this peak hour increase needing 8 buses should have just be shorts between Brixton and Liverpool Street maybe. 8 buses could have resulted in 4 extra rush hour journeys between Brixton and London Bridge/Liverpool Street.
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Post by busman on Jun 20, 2019 10:42:00 GMT
Today evening was caused by an issue on the Jubilee Line which caused overcrowding at DLR stations which also resulted in the DLR being suspended, however from experience and looking at Twitter Bank has been far worse than it was before the cuts. What's funny is when I passed through on Monday the queue for the Central Line was reaching up the stairs which lead to the DLR/W&C so you can almost pinpoint the problem starting on that day. I'm assuming the 35 and 40 have something to do with this, most tube alternatives for those routes take you through Bank. However also could be some displaced 388 passengers who are going to Elephant. Or maybe even 45 passengers trying to get into the City from Elephant and changing at Bank for the Central Line. Not to mention safety concerns that will be caused by this, the Central Line more than most because trying to traverse that almighty gap onto the train with a huge crowd behind you pressurising you it’s absolutely not fun, it’s bloody horrible actually. This can’t go on, I’m pretty sure we’ll see some U-turns soon because this is just unacceptable. If the delay in the 48 withdrawal is down to what snoggle hinted at, being able to claim the initial cuts are going well and aren’t affecting passengers to a great degree, then it’s looking like it will backfire quite profusely. Safety cannot compromise anything, and I mean ANYTHING. So if these changes are causing dangerous overcrowding something needs to be done ASAP. Not to mention the 48 going will put YET MORE pressure on Bank!! Seeing Bank tomorrow in the rush hour when hopefully everything is running smoothly will be interesting. Then it can be a properly fair comparison of before and after the bus cuts with the same external circumstances. I’m in London next Wednesday so I’ll be sure to pass through Bank now you’ve raised my attention to it to see what’s different. I’ve used Bank at rush hour many many times before so I’d love to see how much worse it is for myself You’re brave. I avoid changing at Bank like the plague. Horribly overcrowded in the rush hour, especially the DLR and Northern Line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 10:53:52 GMT
I avoid Bank during the day as well. Will only use interchange at night.
Temperature expected to soar next week as well. I’ve never known such a hot and horrible atmosphere as that on the Central Line platforms here.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 20, 2019 12:17:21 GMT
Not to mention safety concerns that will be caused by this, the Central Line more than most because trying to traverse that almighty gap onto the train with a huge crowd behind you pressurising you it’s absolutely not fun, it’s bloody horrible actually. This can’t go on, I’m pretty sure we’ll see some U-turns soon because this is just unacceptable. If the delay in the 48 withdrawal is down to what snoggle hinted at, being able to claim the initial cuts are going well and aren’t affecting passengers to a great degree, then it’s looking like it will backfire quite profusely. Safety cannot compromise anything, and I mean ANYTHING. So if these changes are causing dangerous overcrowding something needs to be done ASAP. Not to mention the 48 going will put YET MORE pressure on Bank!! Seeing Bank tomorrow in the rush hour when hopefully everything is running smoothly will be interesting. Then it can be a properly fair comparison of before and after the bus cuts with the same external circumstances. I’m in London next Wednesday so I’ll be sure to pass through Bank now you’ve raised my attention to it to see what’s different. I’ve used Bank at rush hour many many times before so I’d love to see how much worse it is for myself Before we all get too excited it is worth saying we are only three days into the changes. People will inevitably be investigating alternative journey options that may lead to short term issues. It is far too early to reach any sort of conclusion other than some routes may be under extra strain. When you throw in a huge tube disruption, as the Jub Line one was, then all bets are off as to what is going on because people end up all over the place trying to get around. I am not defending what TfL have done but we sort of need to step back and wait a while. If nothing has changed for the better in 4 weeks or so then some initial conclusions can no doubt be drawn. Also worth noting that we are approaching Summer holiday season which dampens demand down a lot so it will be the Autumn before the pressure on the system can be properly determined. The strike action on SWT this week will also have affected passenger flows around the tube network this week, perhaps less demand from the W&C into Bank but extra demand to reach the City on other lines.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 20, 2019 16:33:17 GMT
I also avoid Bank as an interchange. Its a very unpleasant chronically overcrowded station which isn't fit for purpose, hopefully the capacity upgrade is complete soon
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Post by dennistas on Jul 8, 2019 4:41:21 GMT
I still don't know if the plans for the 55 extension to WC have changed, the stand space & crowd has been pointed out as an issue.
If the Hopper Fare is extended to 2 hours then the 55 can stay in it's current form, there are so many routes from Bakers Arms to WC.
As soon as I get more info I will share.
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