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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2019 8:04:54 GMT
Maybe some buses will continue to terminate at Bakers Arms. Would solve some problems of stand space, over bussing Hoe Street now the 357 is remaining and would provide empty buses starting at Bakers Arms in the Peak hours and still maintain a direct link from Walthamstow to Shoreditch every 10 mins like the 48 does.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2019 8:44:08 GMT
Maybe some buses will continue to terminate at Bakers Arms. Would solve some problems of stand space, over bussing Hoe Street now the 357 is remaining and would provide empty buses starting at Bakers Arms in the Peak hours and still maintain a direct link from Walthamstow to Shoreditch every 10 mins like the 48 does. There is no overbussing because the 357 is remaining.
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Post by sid on Jul 8, 2019 9:38:02 GMT
I still don't know if the plans for the 55 extension to WC have changed, the stand space & crowd has been pointed out as an issue. If the Hopper Fare is extended to 2 hours then the 55 can stay in it's current form, there are so many routes from Bakers Arms to WC. As soon as I get more info I will share. Surely a direct link between Walthamstow Central and Lea Bridge Road is essential? Like a few others on here I'm surprised that the 357 has survived.
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Post by dennistas on Jul 8, 2019 9:59:56 GMT
I still don't know if the plans for the 55 extension to WC have changed, the stand space & crowd has been pointed out as an issue. If the Hopper Fare is extended to 2 hours then the 55 can stay in it's current form, there are so many routes from Bakers Arms to WC. As soon as I get more info I will share. Surely a direct link between Walthamstow Central and Lea Bridge Road is essential? Like a few others on here I'm surprised that the 357 has survived. If Hopper fare is extended to 2hrs then should be fine imo. Same I am shocked that 357 is staying.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2019 10:41:55 GMT
Maybe some buses will continue to terminate at Bakers Arms. Would solve some problems of stand space, over bussing Hoe Street now the 357 is remaining and would provide empty buses starting at Bakers Arms in the Peak hours and still maintain a direct link from Walthamstow to Shoreditch every 10 mins like the 48 does. There is no overbussing because the 357 is remaining. I disagree. If the 357 is remaining then you don't need another 3 or 4 55s an hour along Hoe Street. The 55 can easily just maintain the 6 bph currently on the 48 as opposed to all 55s having to run to WC. Hoe Street does not need an increase in buses along it.
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Post by sid on Jul 8, 2019 10:52:11 GMT
There is no overbussing because the 357 is remaining. I disagree. If the 357 is remaining then you don't need another 3 or 4 55s an hour along Hoe Street. The 55 can easily just maintain the 6 bph currently on the 48 as opposed to all 55s having to run to WC. Hoe Street does not need an increase in buses along it. Exactly that, over bussing a road like Hoe Street means buses become a major cause of congestion rather than a solution to it. I'll admit that I'm not a regular visitor to Walthamstow but I really do wonder what purpose the 357 serves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 11:09:26 GMT
There is no other route that turns right from Hoe Street so will mean it's not a smooth interchange if you catch a bus from Walthamstow Central and want to travel along Lea Bridge Road.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2019 11:13:40 GMT
No one is saying the 55 shouldn't be extended to WC to maintain a WC to Lea Bridge Road link. We are just saying not every 55 needs to run to WC from Bakers Arms.
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Post by dennistas on Jul 8, 2019 11:18:59 GMT
No one is saying the 55 shouldn't be extended to WC to maintain a WC to Lea Bridge Road link. We are just saying not every 55 needs to run to WC from Bakers Arms. You can just change for another bus at Bakers Arms to WC. All you need to do from a 56 is turn the corner and from a 55 just cross the road at Leyton Green.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 11:25:45 GMT
No one is saying the 55 shouldn't be extended to WC to maintain a WC to Lea Bridge Road link. We are just saying not every 55 needs to run to WC from Bakers Arms. You can just change for another bus at Bakers Arms to WC. All you need to do from a 56 is turn the corner and from a 55 just cross the road at Leyton Green. Just looked on Google Street View, I would say it's not a smooth quick change IMO and worse heading towards Lea Bridge Road but as others have said it a split service on the 55 is maintained that will help.
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Post by dennistas on Jul 8, 2019 11:28:57 GMT
You can just change for another bus at Bakers Arms to WC. All you need to do from a 56 is turn the corner and from a 55 just cross the road at Leyton Green. Just looked on Google Street View, I would say it's not a smooth quick change IMO and worse heading towards Lea Bridge Road but as others have said it a split service on the 55 is maintained that will help. Yeah your right, coming of Lea Bridge Road towards WC is easier but return would be more difficult especially for elderly. Not that TFL care imo.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2019 13:19:42 GMT
There is no overbussing because the 357 is remaining. I disagree. If the 357 is remaining then you don't need another 3 or 4 55s an hour along Hoe Street. The 55 can easily just maintain the 6 bph currently on the 48 as opposed to all 55s having to run to WC. Hoe Street does not need an increase in buses along it. Your original statement was “overbussing now the 357 is remaining” but yet your now talking about the 55. Not only that but the section that both routes will serve is minuscule plus the 357 doesn’t serve the bus station either and in addition, your assuming that it’s confirmed that every 55 is running to the bus station.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 8, 2019 13:21:57 GMT
No one is saying the 55 shouldn't be extended to WC to maintain a WC to Lea Bridge Road link. We are just saying not every 55 needs to run to WC from Bakers Arms. Again, where has it been said by anyone on here that they want every 55 to run to the bus station?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 8, 2019 16:09:08 GMT
I think we can mostly assume it would be TFLs aim to run all buses as whilst they introduced shorts on the 38 they have removed them from the 25 and 221 so it seems their aim is for all routes to run end to end.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 8, 2019 18:12:42 GMT
With concerns on both the 55 terminating at Walthamstow and excess capacity on route 38, perhaps route 56 could be utilised as part of a solution - which parallels parts of both routes.
Reduce the 38's frequency, with all workings continuing to Clapton (could involve some Hackney workings being extended) - removes excess capacity and simplifies the route by removing short workings.
Reduce the 55's frequency slightly to enable vehicles to stand at Walthamstow Central without any short workings. If needed, this could also involve other Walthamstow routes being altered to terminate at St James Street or Leyton bus garage.
Increase the frequency on route 56, partly compensating for both of the above, replacing some capacity along Lea Bridge Road, and along the Angel-Clapton corridor.
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