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Post by aaron1 on Jul 12, 2019 10:12:33 GMT
How long before TFL they realise they made a lots of mistake of the cuts they made that this making people to tube more that it creating more overcrowding then have to put back to the way is was before the cut
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Post by sid on Jul 12, 2019 10:17:57 GMT
How long before TFL they realise they made a lots of mistake of the cuts they made that this making people to tube more that it creating more overcrowding then have to put back to the way is was before the cut Just out of interest what mistakes do you think TfL have made with the cuts? I'm not suggesting everything is perfect but I don't see any obvious calamity.
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Post by aaron1 on Jul 12, 2019 10:35:59 GMT
How long before TFL they realise they made a lots of mistake of the cuts they made that this making people to tube more that it creating more overcrowding then have to put back to the way is was before the cut Just out of interest what mistakes do you think TfL have made with the cuts? I'm not suggesting everything is perfect but I don't see any obvious calamity. The mistake are ones with 23,25,40,53 and RV1 it making hader of people in London and it making other buses and the tube more overcrowded
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Post by sid on Jul 12, 2019 10:52:47 GMT
Just out of interest what mistakes do you think TfL have made with the cuts? I'm not suggesting everything is perfect but I don't see any obvious calamity. The mistake are ones with 23,25,40,53 and RV1 it making hader of people in London and it making other buses and the tube more overcrowded The 10/23 change seems to have gone OK, I think the 25 should stayed as it was until Crossrail actually opened. The 40, well there is peak hour over crowding between E&C and London Bridge, the 53 County Hall/Lower Marsh is awful but the alternative is E&C but I think the RV1 had been doomed for a while.
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Post by M1104 on Jul 12, 2019 11:01:03 GMT
The mistake are ones with 23,25,40,53 and RV1 it making hader of people in London and it making other buses and the tube more overcrowded The 10/23 change seems to have gone OK, I think the 25 should stayed as it was until Crossrail actually opened. The 40, well there is peak hour over crowding between E&C and London Bridge, the 53 County Hall/Lower Marsh is awful but the alternative is E&C but I think the RV1 had been doomed for a while. The changes depend on perception. For example regular punters may be used to the changes but passengers that travel occasionally may still be relatively unaware of the changes. I'm sure there's still regular occurrences of someone waiting for a service that no longer serves their stop... or travelling on the 23 and too late realising it now goes into Park Lane instead of Oxford Street.
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Post by foxhat on Jul 12, 2019 11:01:37 GMT
The mistake are ones with 23,25,40,53 and RV1 it making hader of people in London and it making other buses and the tube more overcrowded The 10/23 change seems to have gone OK, I think the 25 should stayed as it was until Crossrail actually opened. The 40, well there is peak hour over crowding between E&C and London Bridge, the 53 County Hall/Lower Marsh is awful but the alternative is E&C but I think the RV1 had been doomed for a while. I do seem to be in somewhat of an agreement with the 10/23, however I do still miss the Kensington to Oxford Street link. Loadings on the 23 throughout have vastly improved with time. 25 should never have changed at all. The service patterns and frequencies should have been adjusted after Crossrail such that the majority of the service was east of Aldgate or Mile End, with every other one going through to at least TCR. 40 I cannot comment on, but find someone that agrees with the 53 cut! The RV1 in its current "forgotten about" form was never going to work. If it had its route branding and was specifically advertised as the "sightseeing bus" then it would definitely have been a keeper. The impending works around Tooley Street would probably have killed the route off anyway.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 12, 2019 11:51:12 GMT
The 10/23 change seems to have gone OK, I think the 25 should stayed as it was until Crossrail actually opened. The 40, well there is peak hour over crowding between E&C and London Bridge, the 53 County Hall/Lower Marsh is awful but the alternative is E&C but I think the RV1 had been doomed for a while. I do seem to be in somewhat of an agreement with the 10/23, however I do still miss the Kensington to Oxford Street link. Loadings on the 23 throughout have vastly improved with time. 25 should never have changed at all. The service patterns and frequencies should have been adjusted after Crossrail such that the majority of the service was east of Aldgate or Mile End, with every other one going through to at least TCR. 40 I cannot comment on, but find someone that agrees with the 53 cut! The RV1 in its current "forgotten about" form was never going to work. If it had its route branding and was specifically advertised as the "sightseeing bus" then it would definitely have been a keeper. The impending works around Tooley Street would probably have killed the route off anyway. The irony regarding the RV1 was that it’s loadings began increasing a little while after the cut to a 20 minute frequency and it wasn’t all the result of enthusiasts using it but I agree that the previous works & upcoming ones did and would of done major damage. That said, the cuts have been terrible and do nothing to promote bus travel in London but merely achieve the opposite as well as increasing car usage & congestion.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 12, 2019 15:47:31 GMT
I'm still incenced about the 10/23 botched change. I used to love having a choice of either the 10 or 94 to get to/from Oxford Circus, and furthermore the 10 provided really useful direct links which I miss so much. I know I can change to a 390 but it just isn't the same as being able to be on one bus from Hammersmith to Oxford Circus/TCR/King's Cross. I really wish the 10 would return one day as I find the new 23 completely useless, it merely offers me a choice of travel rather than any useful connections
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Post by dennistas on Jul 13, 2019 6:08:39 GMT
Heard that now TFL are re-considering to axe the 48 - don't know how true this is but I've asked a couple of reliable sources to see if they have more information.
We know that the 67 is getting 14 (12 + 2 spares) LTs, the 48 will release about 5 extra which is just enough for the 55. But I do not see the extension to WC going ahead tbh.
If anyone heard more could you please share
Thanks
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 13, 2019 8:35:14 GMT
Heard that now TFL are re-considering to axe the 48 - don't know how true this is but I've asked a couple of reliable sources to see if they have more information. We know that the 67 is getting 14 (12 + 2 spares) LTs, the 48 will release about 5 extra which is just enough for the 55. But I do not see the extension to WC going ahead tbh. If anyone heard more could you please share Thanks I've read on the TfL website that they are withdrawing the 48 in October and that the 55 will be extended to Walthamstow Central.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 8:49:39 GMT
Heard that now TFL are re-considering to axe the 48 - don't know how true this is but I've asked a couple of reliable sources to see if they have more information. We know that the 67 is getting 14 (12 + 2 spares) LTs, the 48 will release about 5 extra which is just enough for the 55. But I do not see the extension to WC going ahead tbh. If anyone heard more could you please share Thanks Even if they were re-considering I do wonder would they really leak the information.... Sounds like canteen talk to me. But of course happy to be corrected.
New buses have been ordered by CT + for the 20 releasing buses back to the 26 /388 in relation to the extension / change to PVR. Also don't forget the 67 already has a few LTs so don't need all the ex route 48 buses. Also LTs can be sourced from elsewhere as they are TfL buses. Also with the new LT boarding rules starting soon there is nothing stopping non LT buses being used for the extras,
I would be very shocked if it never went ahead! Sadly!
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 13, 2019 9:15:39 GMT
Heard that now TFL are re-considering to axe the 48 - don't know how true this is but I've asked a couple of reliable sources to see if they have more information. We know that the 67 is getting 14 (12 + 2 spares) LTs, the 48 will release about 5 extra which is just enough for the 55. But I do not see the extension to WC going ahead tbh. If anyone heard more could you please share Thanks Even if they were re-considering I do wonder would they really leak the information.... Sounds like canteen talk to me. But of course happy to be corrected.
New buses have been ordered by CT + for the 20 releasing buses back to the 26 /388 in relation to the extension / change to PVR. Also don't forget the 67 already has a few LTs so don't need all the ex route 48 buses. Also LTs can be sourced from elsewhere as they are TfL buses. Also with the new LT boarding rules starting soon there is nothing stopping non LT buses being used for the extras,
I would be very shocked if it never went ahead! Sadly!
If any further LTs need to be sourced for the 67, 176 or 415, other operators have plenty of spare LTs that could be transferred, particularly Metroline.
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Post by dennistas on Jul 13, 2019 9:29:57 GMT
Heard that now TFL are re-considering to axe the 48 - don't know how true this is but I've asked a couple of reliable sources to see if they have more information. We know that the 67 is getting 14 (12 + 2 spares) LTs, the 48 will release about 5 extra which is just enough for the 55. But I do not see the extension to WC going ahead tbh. If anyone heard more could you please share Thanks I've read on the TfL website that they are withdrawing the 48 in October and that the 55 will be extended to Walthamstow Central. Yeah I have read that also, but I wonder if they will really change their minds? As Dan said yes it is probably just canteen talk. My question is how will the stand space be facilitated at WC, the 55 has a high PVR and some buses would have to stand on the other side next to the 69s etc.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2019 10:57:58 GMT
Heard that now TFL are re-considering to axe the 48 - don't know how true this is but I've asked a couple of reliable sources to see if they have more information. We know that the 67 is getting 14 (12 + 2 spares) LTs, the 48 will release about 5 extra which is just enough for the 55. But I do not see the extension to WC going ahead tbh. If anyone heard more could you please share Thanks The 67 will be using 13 LT's for a PVR of 12.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 13:55:35 GMT
sorry is route 48 going or not?
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