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Post by redbus on Sept 22, 2019 21:47:49 GMT
How is the N113 pointless? And how would converting the 113 to 24 hours fix links lost by the 23. I agree - the daytime 113 would be too long if extended to Trafalgar Square. Interestingly in response to the Finchley Road consultation, the official reason given for having the 113 only go to Oxford Circus as opposed to Aldwych (never mind Trafalgar Square) to replace the 13 was nothing to do with the length of route, but everything to do with finance, if I remember correctly the additional cost would have been some £700K.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 22, 2019 22:08:41 GMT
Tfl don't actually seem that bothered by length of routes anymore it seems as the 55 will be getting longer soon and the 88 has got up to nearly 90 mins plus the 14 was made longer. If the freqs weren't so miss matched then I could easily see the 149 being re extended to E.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 22, 2019 22:10:38 GMT
Tfl don't actually seem that bothered by length of routes anymore it seems as the 55 will be getting longer soon and the 88 has got up to nearly 90 mins. Not to mention the 483 which was introduced at 11 miles and I'm pretty sure it was ever so slightly longer than the Ilford-Oxford Circus 25.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 23, 2019 6:38:33 GMT
Tfl don't actually seem that bothered by length of routes anymore it seems as the 55 will be getting longer soon and the 88 has got up to nearly 90 mins plus the 14 was made longer. If the freqs weren't so miss matched then I could easily see the 149 being re extended to E. They just pull an excuse out of the bag which suits them. For example, routes like the 25 and 53 were ''suffering from poor reliability due to their length.'' However, TfL will happilly extend routes like the 55 and 88 to get rid of the 48 and C2.
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Post by rj131 on Sept 23, 2019 6:58:47 GMT
Tfl don't actually seem that bothered by length of routes anymore it seems as the 55 will be getting longer soon and the 88 has got up to nearly 90 mins plus the 14 was made longer. If the freqs weren't so miss matched then I could easily see the 149 being re extended to E. They just pull an excuse out of the bag which suits them. For example, routes like the 25 and 53 were ''suffering from poor reliability due to their length.'' However, TfL will happilly extend routes like the 55 and 88 to get rid of the 48 and C2. Too true, the 493 in the Richmond consultation they used this bluster too.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 25, 2019 18:47:45 GMT
How are the N53's loadings doing?
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Post by aaron1 on Sept 26, 2019 6:59:25 GMT
Now that TfL are making longer routes I like to see the 188 extended to Chalk Farm via N5
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Post by george on Sept 26, 2019 7:01:06 GMT
Now that TfL are making longer routes I like to see the 188 extended to Chalk Farm via N5 188 is long enough, that is far to long will make the route very unreliable.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 26, 2019 11:26:24 GMT
I have wondered if to reduce routes through Aldwych and Holborn a couple of routes may join up. 68 west Norwood to Hampstead Heath or 1 Canada Water to Hampstead heath.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 26, 2019 12:38:22 GMT
I have wondered if to reduce routes through Aldwych and Holborn a couple of routes may join up. 68 west Norwood to Hampstead Heath or 1 Canada Water to Hampstead heath. Neither idea is feasible due to congestion.
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 26, 2019 12:49:01 GMT
If the 55 and 88 extensions are considered feasible by tfl then an extra 19-20 mins on the 68 to Hampstead Heath is. Tfl will make things work of it suits them.
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Post by danorak on Sept 26, 2019 13:26:08 GMT
I have wondered if to reduce routes through Aldwych and Holborn a couple of routes may join up. 68 west Norwood to Hampstead Heath or 1 Canada Water to Hampstead heath. I think the 1 may be feasible - just. The earlier 188 suggestion is a definite non-starter. If anything, the 188 is already longer than TfL would like (see the route development papers for the Surrey Quays area). This sort of thing is probably for the suggestions/fantasy thread really.
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Post by aaron1 on Sept 26, 2019 13:43:54 GMT
I have a idea is to have 8 merge with the 98 so have one route Willesden to Bow Road I know have gone made but just an idea
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 26, 2019 14:18:19 GMT
If the 55 and 88 extensions are considered feasible by tfl then an extra 19-20 mins on the 68 to Hampstead Heath is. Tfl will make things work of it suits them. That is rather a longer extension than the 55 Bakers Arms-Walthamstow Central and the 88 Camden Town- Parliament Hill Fields. Also extending the 68 (or 1 or 188 - or even the 59 for that matter) to Hampstead Heath in place of the 168 feels to me like a solution looking for a problem.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 26, 2019 15:14:14 GMT
I have a idea is to have 8 merge with the 98 so have one route Willesden to Bow Road I know have gone made but just an idea Like your earlier proposal, totally unviable. Congestion has increased significantly since this routing was actually in existence and such a lengthy route would simply fall over in reliability terms.
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