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Post by M1104 on Oct 23, 2018 8:41:56 GMT
As in another post, although BBC London article and not just twitter. As I have said would cost millions and do nothing to increase passengers and I would like to know what these innovative designs to the interiors of buses would be. I personally find the noise on the route 98 buses irritating, would hate to have to drive that all day.
Will added noise make London’s buses safer? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45879206 Should've simply kept on the B7TLs with their noisy fans lol
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Post by ThinLizzy on Nov 6, 2018 18:42:29 GMT
Sorry to be late to the party.
In answer to the question- no it won't. The problem is TfL haven't really looked at the root cause of the problems. I'm no mathemetician but a bit of extra noise as a bus going past won't rrally do much. There are other, bigger issues that need to be discussed- admittedly TfL cannot sort every single one of them.
Firstly. There seems to an increase in people lacking in "common sense." For example,trying to cycle down the inside of a lorry whilst it is clearly indicating to turn left, people not holding on as the bus is moving, standing on the staircase or trying to cram into a once inch square space an LT that is clearly full.
Secondly, according to all sorts of research and studies, the average speed of London buses is actually going down. However, What I generally see is a worsening or driving standards in some areas of London. I'm not mentioning any operators in particular, but some drivers will brake sharply, accelerate quickly and drive round a "blind bend" fairly rapidly aiming themselves towarss pedestrians sounding their (very loud LT) horns at pedestrians in a pedestrianised areas rather than take a little care and drice a little bit slower.
Finally, mirrors getting bigger and protruding further than ever, whilst some drivers with some operators are swinging their buses into stops (sounding their horn) instead of taking a bit of care.
All in all, more needs to be done to tackle root causes- better training and establishment of driving standards would help, maybe using the new ADL 'CCTV mirrors" would help. However you could cover a bus in hazard tape, and place a hazard cone on the roof but you won't eliminate all injuries caused by buses.
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Post by londonbusboy on Nov 6, 2018 20:35:29 GMT
Sorry to be late to the party. In answer to the question- no it won't. The problem is TfL haven't really looked at the root cause of the problems. I'm no mathemetician but a bit of extra noise as a bus going past won't rrally do much. There are other, bigger issues that need to be discussed- admittedly TfL cannot sort every single one of them. Firstly. There seems to an increase in people lacking in "common sense." For example,trying to cycle down the inside of a lorry whilst it is clearly indicating to turn left, people not holding on as the bus is moving, standing on the staircase or trying to cram into a once inch square space an LT that is clearly full. Secondly, according to all sorts of research and studies, the average speed of London buses is actually going down. However, What I generally see is a worsening or driving standards in some areas of London. I'm not mentioning any operators in particular, but some drivers will brake sharply, accelerate quickly and drive round a "blind bend" fairly rapidly aiming themselves towarss pedestrians sounding their (very loud LT) horns at pedestrians in a pedestrianised areas rather than take a little care and drice a little bit slower. Finally, mirrors getting bigger and protruding further than ever, whilst some drivers with some operators are swinging their buses into stops (sounding their horn) instead of taking a bit of care. All in all, more needs to be done to tackle root causes- better training and establishment of driving standards would help, maybe using the new ADL 'CCTV mirrors" would help. However you could cover a bus in hazard tape, and place a hazard cone on the roof but you won't eliminate all injuries caused by buses. I imagine the decrease in driving standards is an effect of non workable timetables, less buses = cheaper to run. Drivers frequently forced into overtime so drive like loonies to finish on time. Late braking, fast acceleration is a driver trying to be quick I've mentioned loads of times before that passengers create lots of delays from not having their pass ready to holding the bus up for someone else. Its easy to blame a driver (im not saying what you have said is acceptable) but TfL should make changes such as workable timetables and force bus companies into better shifts/working conditions. This should decrease what you have said above.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 6, 2018 21:37:58 GMT
Sorry to be late to the party. In answer to the question- no it won't. The problem is TfL haven't really looked at the root cause of the problems. I'm no mathemetician but a bit of extra noise as a bus going past won't rrally do much. There are other, bigger issues that need to be discussed- admittedly TfL cannot sort every single one of them. Firstly. There seems to an increase in people lacking in "common sense." For example,trying to cycle down the inside of a lorry whilst it is clearly indicating to turn left, people not holding on as the bus is moving, standing on the staircase or trying to cram into a once inch square space an LT that is clearly full. Secondly, according to all sorts of research and studies, the average speed of London buses is actually going down. However, What I generally see is a worsening or driving standards in some areas of London. I'm not mentioning any operators in particular, but some drivers will brake sharply, accelerate quickly and drive round a "blind bend" fairly rapidly aiming themselves towarss pedestrians sounding their (very loud LT) horns at pedestrians in a pedestrianised areas rather than take a little care and drice a little bit slower. Finally, mirrors getting bigger and protruding further than ever, whilst some drivers with some operators are swinging their buses into stops (sounding their horn) instead of taking a bit of care. All in all, more needs to be done to tackle root causes- better training and establishment of driving standards would help, maybe using the new ADL 'CCTV mirrors" would help. However you could cover a bus in hazard tape, and place a hazard cone on the roof but you won't eliminate all injuries caused by buses. I have never been a fan of the long arm nearside mirror and feel this is part of the problem, same thing that knocked Brian Kearney or whatever his name is out. I remember Stagecoach removing these mirrors from Tridents in 2000/2001 and ALX200's due to the problems they caused with damage etc. The only advantage of them is being able to see your mirrors if the bus is full up to the front entrance, but passengers should never be stood in front of the cab anyway.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Nov 6, 2018 21:41:44 GMT
Sorry to be late to the party. In answer to the question- no it won't. The problem is TfL haven't really looked at the root cause of the problems. I'm no mathemetician but a bit of extra noise as a bus going past won't rrally do much. There are other, bigger issues that need to be discussed- admittedly TfL cannot sort every single one of them. Firstly. There seems to an increase in people lacking in "common sense." For example,trying to cycle down the inside of a lorry whilst it is clearly indicating to turn left, people not holding on as the bus is moving, standing on the staircase or trying to cram into a once inch square space an LT that is clearly full. Secondly, according to all sorts of research and studies, the average speed of London buses is actually going down. However, What I generally see is a worsening or driving standards in some areas of London. I'm not mentioning any operators in particular, but some drivers will brake sharply, accelerate quickly and drive round a "blind bend" fairly rapidly aiming themselves towarss pedestrians sounding their (very loud LT) horns at pedestrians in a pedestrianised areas rather than take a little care and drice a little bit slower. Finally, mirrors getting bigger and protruding further than ever, whilst some drivers with some operators are swinging their buses into stops (sounding their horn) instead of taking a bit of care. All in all, more needs to be done to tackle root causes- better training and establishment of driving standards would help, maybe using the new ADL 'CCTV mirrors" would help. However you could cover a bus in hazard tape, and place a hazard cone on the roof but you won't eliminate all injuries caused by buses. I imagine the decrease in driving standards is an effect of non workable timetables, less buses = cheaper to run. Drivers frequently forced into overtime so drive like loonies to finish on time. Late braking, fast acceleration is a driver trying to be quick I've mentioned loads of times before that passengers create lots of delays from not having their pass ready to holding the bus up for someone else. Its easy to blame a driver (im not saying what you have said is acceptable) but TfL should make changes such as workable timetables and force bus companies into better shifts/working conditions. This should decrease what you have said above. I wouldn't even say it is anything to do with timetables. A lot of accidents seem to be the drivers last trip when coming off for break or finishing, or just taking over the bus on their first trip. Operators would love to have more workable timetables, but that would cost and TfL are unlikely to do that in this climate. The more workable a timetable is, it also means there is more chance the operator would gain bonus payments out of it. Also costing TfL more money.
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Post by londonbusboy on Nov 7, 2018 14:23:21 GMT
I imagine the decrease in driving standards is an effect of non workable timetables, less buses = cheaper to run. Drivers frequently forced into overtime so drive like loonies to finish on time. Late braking, fast acceleration is a driver trying to be quick I've mentioned loads of times before that passengers create lots of delays from not having their pass ready to holding the bus up for someone else. Its easy to blame a driver (im not saying what you have said is acceptable) but TfL should make changes such as workable timetables and force bus companies into better shifts/working conditions. This should decrease what you have said above. I wouldn't even say it is anything to do with timetables. A lot of accidents seem to be the drivers last trip when coming off for break or finishing, or just taking over the bus on their first trip. Operators would love to have more workable timetables, but that would cost and TfL are unlikely to do that in this climate. The more workable a timetable is, it also means there is more chance the operator would gain bonus payments out of it. Also costing TfL more money.
Well thats where the tendering process has gone wrong. TfL trying to get out of paying the companies for any excuse possible is just plain wrong. The public want a reliable service but they wont get it because TfL save a lot of money from poor running services (fining the sh!t out of a company)
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Post by sid on Nov 7, 2018 14:41:26 GMT
I wouldn't even say it is anything to do with timetables. A lot of accidents seem to be the drivers last trip when coming off for break or finishing, or just taking over the bus on their first trip. Operators would love to have more workable timetables, but that would cost and TfL are unlikely to do that in this climate. The more workable a timetable is, it also means there is more chance the operator would gain bonus payments out of it. Also costing TfL more money.
Well thats where the tendering process has gone wrong. TfL trying to get out of paying the companies for any excuse possible is just plain wrong. The public want a reliable service but they wont get it because TfL save a lot of money from poor running services (fining the sh!t out of a company) That's just life I'm afraid and not only in the bus industry.
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Post by redbus on Nov 9, 2018 21:27:41 GMT
Let's just have someone with a red flag walking in front of every bus. Life is full of risk. Buses do not operate on their own segregated paths so a zero accident rate is hard to achieve because the actions of others will always impinge. What happens when the emergency brake comes on and someone is climbing or descending the stairs? Or the person driving behind doesn't react quickly enough and ploughs into the back of it? How long before seat belts are specified? Fully agree, because we would get this adaptive braking slam on if someone runs in front of the bus then end up with injuries on board the bus which is one of the biggest costs to bus operators at the moment. People would be claiming left, right & centre. What next, ban on standing passengers on buses? Before buses in London was the envy of the country, now they are the laughing stock of the country.
Don't worry, in the years ahead all buses will have seatbelts, no standing as it is too dangerous. Buses won't be able to leave the stop until everyone is belted up. maximum speed will be little better than walking pace in case of wandering pedestrians. Similar restriction will apply to cyclists. It is called Health and Safety!!!
More seriously certain technologies can help prevent accidents and injuries, but I agree that whatever you do education is best. Educate people better on the road environment and you'll have a much greater positive impact. It won't be perfect the way us humans work, but it has far more potential than just technology in vehicles. if you can stop someone going in front of a vehicle in the first place, that is better than trying to get the vehicle to stop as a result.
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