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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 9, 2018 8:41:26 GMT
For Stagecoach the following buses should be withdrawn by 2020 for London-wide ULEZ for buses. - All remaining Tridents (Though they should be gone by end of next year).
- The 4 Versas at BK which will leave by April next year.
- Most if not all Omnicitys (The 97 won't be tendered until 2022 so it will likely need any surplus Enviro 400's or new buses instead) however regardless of ULEZ I can see Stagecoach withdrawing the Omnicitys for standardisation if possible.
- Some of the ex ELBG Enviro 200's - (The ones at TL & WH that are now modified to Euro 6 and is allocated to a route that won't be tendered until 2021/22 will probably stay beyond 2020).
- The 10 56 reg LWB E400's at TB (Which is expected to be withdrawn by beginning of next year) and Spirit of London 19000 needs somewhere to preserved by 2020.
All Stagecoach Omnicitys are euro4, and so can not be upgraded. So those on the 97/248/365 will need to be withdrawn and replaced on these routes. I expect all E20Ds at WH will be retained, but TL will likely only keep enough ex-ELBG E20Ds for the P4. I think all other 58/09/59reg at TL are currently allocated to the 178, which has been lost. The 09/59reg E200s at TL fit the P4's TVR, so I would expect all 58reg to be withdrawn. With the shorter SDs, some 58reg will be needed for the 354, and the R7 will need 1-2 to cover the PVR increase over the 63reg batch. But any other 58reg and all 56reg could be withdrawn.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 9, 2018 15:20:36 GMT
It would make sense for Arriva to convert the 123's VLWs to trainers as they are withdrawn soon if the likes of DW139 will be non compliant. Or the VLWs could remain allocated to the 123? I heard that they are going next year, I don't know why as they were upgraded to Eu6 for Tottenham LEZ as well. They are super quiet compared to the VLAs before. It will be a shame, but I guess early next year they will be gone. I think HV's from the 19's reduction are earmarked for the 158.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 9, 2018 18:31:28 GMT
Or the VLWs could remain allocated to the 123? I heard that they are going next year, I don't know why as they were upgraded to Eu6 for Tottenham LEZ as well. They are super quiet compared to the VLAs before. It will be a shame, but I guess early next year they will be gone. I think HV's from the 19's reduction are earmarked for the 158. There's also various HVs available, including from the 468's PVR cut, others from garages with surplus spares. Plus some DWs will be spare across the fleet, mostly due to PVR cuts, plus a few route losses and some surplus spare vehicles.
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Post by snowman on Dec 19, 2020 7:40:34 GMT
I believe that all buses from today will be euroVI minimum The school bus extras are not included, but these are suspended until 4th January
TfL have stated (it’s in the Board committee papers, but can’t be bothered to search for it), that final conversions (having been delayed by Covid) will be before Christmas. So every bus being converted is now done (or being completed in next few days).
Including non compliant school buses over 97% of the fleet is now euroVI minimum My understanding is non compliant buses are now restricted to school extras so should not be out for next 16 days, which should make them easy to identify on LVF in a few days time.
I have chosen to post in this thread as it is interesting looking back at member’s predictions
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Post by vjaska on Dec 19, 2020 13:27:06 GMT
I believe that all buses from today will be euroVI minimum The school bus extras are not included, but these are suspended until 4th January TfL have stated (it’s in the Board committee papers, but can’t be bothered to search for it), that final conversions (having been delayed by Covid) will be before Christmas. So every bus being converted is now done (or being completed in next few days). Including non compliant school buses over 97% of the fleet is now euroVI minimum My understanding is non compliant buses are now restricted to school extras so should not be out for next 16 days, which should make them easy to identify on LVF in a few days time. I have chosen to post in this thread as it is interesting looking back at member’s predictions I believe non compliant buses have been restricted to the school extras for the last month or so - I’m certainly hoping they become easier to identify lol.
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Post by mkay315 on Jan 6, 2021 21:44:58 GMT
I wonder how quickly they'll get these cameras in place especially for October?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 6, 2021 22:41:28 GMT
Just thought this would be helpful: View AttachmentIt is a full list of all buses that can be upgraded to ULEZ (yes B7TLs, N94UDs and Dennis Tridents can be upgraded the question is whether you would invest £15-20k in a vehicle older that 15) Practically anything can be upgraded so quite bemused that there is even a list. I remember when RATP & Go-Ahead weren’t upgrading their Optares & Scanias that people presumed it was because they cannot be upgraded but that myth was quickly quashed
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Post by richard on Jan 14, 2021 12:05:48 GMT
I wasn't sure where to put thus bust all buses now meet Euro 6 standards
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 31, 2021 11:42:42 GMT
The London-wide ULEZ arrangements are also impacting on non-TfL services that will enter the new ULEZ from 1st March.
Arriva has done a three way swap as the Mercedes Citaros used on the 724 are not EuroVI-standard; they have gone to Guildford, displacing 7 Optare Versas to Maidstone. In turn, 7 ADL E20D MMCs are moving from Maidstone to Harlow to operate the 724. Carousel Buses has placed a new ADL E20D MMC into service on route 581, whilst Redline-operated route 583 will no longer operate into Uxbridge after the end of February.
First Berkshire is collecting Volvo B7RLEs from Southampton and its Citaros are moving on to Worcester. All vehicles based at Slough will be EuroVI- standard by 1st March so that there is no chance of a non-compliant vehicle being used in error on a Heathrow or Uxbridge service.
Reading Buses and Courtney Buses are not affected as all their vehicles already meet EuroVI emissions standards.
There may also be some impact on Kingston area operators, although most already seem to have EuroVI-standard vehicles in service.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 31, 2021 12:13:13 GMT
The London-wide ULEZ arrangements are also impacting on non-TfL services that will enter the new ULEZ from 1st March. Arriva has done a three way swap as the Mercedes Citaros used on the 724 are not EuroVI-standard; they have gone to Guildford, displacing 7 Optare Versas to Maidstone. In turn, 7 ADL E20D MMCs are moving from Maidstone to Harlow to operate the 724. Carousel Buses has placed a new ADL E20D MMC into service on route 581, whilst Redline-operated route 583 will no longer operate into Uxbridge after the end of February. First Berkshire is collecting Volvo B&RLEs from Southampton and its Citaros are moving on to Worcester. All vehicles based at Slough will be EuroVI- standard by 1st March so that there is no chance of a non-compliant vehicle being used in error on a Heathrow or Uxbridge service. Reading Buses and Courtney Buses are not affected as all their vehicles already meet EuroVI emissions standards. There may also be some impact on Kingston area operators, although most already seem to have EuroVI-standard vehicles in service. What is First Worcester sending to Southampton if anything? When I visited Worcester in 2019 First had quite a few old bangers buses there.
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Post by snowman on Jan 31, 2021 12:51:56 GMT
The London-wide ULEZ arrangements are also impacting on non-TfL services that will enter the new ULEZ from 1st March. Arriva has done a three way swap as the Mercedes Citaros used on the 724 are not EuroVI-standard; they have gone to Guildford, displacing 7 Optare Versas to Maidstone. In turn, 7 ADL E20D MMCs are moving from Maidstone to Harlow to operate the 724. Carousel Buses has placed a new ADL E20D MMC into service on route 581, whilst Redline-operated route 583 will no longer operate into Uxbridge after the end of February. First Berkshire is collecting Volvo B&RLEs from Southampton and its Citaros are moving on to Worcester. All vehicles based at Slough will be EuroVI- standard by 1st March so that there is no chance of a non-compliant vehicle being used in error on a Heathrow or Uxbridge service. Reading Buses and Courtney Buses are not affected as all their vehicles already meet EuroVI emissions standards. There may also be some impact on Kingston area operators, although most already seem to have EuroVI-standard vehicles in service. I haven’t been in Kingston since August, but at the time Stagecoach were using older buses on 715 from Guildford (e200s Mon-Sat, with solos on Sunday when they go via Thames Ditton). Possibly been upgraded or changed since. Falcon generally used fairly new diesel buses which would be euroVI There are a number of school workings operated by Edward Thomas, they are mainly coaches, and although they have some new vehicles, most are much older than euroVI. Again no idea if they have had upgrades.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jan 31, 2021 13:19:10 GMT
The London-wide ULEZ arrangements are also impacting on non-TfL services that will enter the new ULEZ from 1st March. Arriva has done a three way swap as the Mercedes Citaros used on the 724 are not EuroVI-standard; they have gone to Guildford, displacing 7 Optare Versas to Maidstone. In turn, 7 ADL E20D MMCs are moving from Maidstone to Harlow to operate the 724. Carousel Buses has placed a new ADL E20D MMC into service on route 581, whilst Redline-operated route 583 will no longer operate into Uxbridge after the end of February. First Berkshire is collecting Volvo B&RLEs from Southampton and its Citaros are moving on to Worcester. All vehicles based at Slough will be EuroVI- standard by 1st March so that there is no chance of a non-compliant vehicle being used in error on a Heathrow or Uxbridge service. Reading Buses and Courtney Buses are not affected as all their vehicles already meet EuroVI emissions standards. There may also be some impact on Kingston area operators, although most already seem to have EuroVI-standard vehicles in service. I haven’t been in Kingston since August, but at the time Stagecoach were using older buses on 715 from Guildford (e200s Mon-Sat, with solos on Sunday when they go via Thames Ditton). Possibly been upgraded or changed since. Falcon generally used fairly new diesel buses which would be euroVI There are a number of school workings operated by Edward Thomas, they are mainly coaches, and although they have some new vehicles, most are much older than euroVI. Again no idea if they have had upgrades. 715 still uses Enviro's (not sure about Sunday though), Falcon mostly use Euro 6 E200MMC's, not sure about Edward Thomas though.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 31, 2021 13:20:22 GMT
Have the buses on the 84 been upgraded?
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 31, 2021 14:30:43 GMT
I haven’t been in Kingston since August, but at the time Stagecoach were using older buses on 715 from Guildford (e200s Mon-Sat, with solos on Sunday when they go via Thames Ditton). Possibly been upgraded or changed since. Falcon generally used fairly new diesel buses which would be euroVI There are a number of school workings operated by Edward Thomas, they are mainly coaches, and although they have some new vehicles, most are much older than euroVI. Again no idea if they have had upgrades. 715 still uses Enviro's (not sure about Sunday though), Falcon mostly use Euro 6 E200MMC's, not sure about Edward Thomas though. To be a pedant, the 715 uses Enviro 300s. It was Pointer Dart until really quite recently, and Darts still occasionally appeared on duplicate journeys for schools between Guildford and Esher until the current lockdown. Typing various regular 715 vehicles into TfL’s emission checker suggests the current regular buses are not compliant, but being Stagecoach with their vast number of vehicles across the country, I’m sure swaps can be arranged. Edward Thomas’ coaches are overwhelmingly Volvos, and most, if not all, meet ULEZ standards.
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Post by M1199 on Jan 31, 2021 18:33:00 GMT
Do find it beggars belief that a route has to be partially withdrawn because of the ULEZ.
Whilst the 583 may only operate 3 yourneys into Uxbridge and carry penny numbers, it still maintains a valuable and long established link between Uxbridge & Richings Park. Obviously Iver & some Langley residents can still catch the frequent 3, but it leaves a large part of Langley & Richings Park without a link to Uxbridge. I get that Richings Park residents can use the train from Iver Station, but not all residents I'd imagine would like using the railway and the 459 to Langley or T5, but how much longer will that be around for! Seems to be getting frequency cut after cut!
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