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Post by ibus246 on Dec 11, 2018 9:18:01 GMT
I would have all routes serving Heathrow running on Christmas Day with an hourly service on most routes, and possibly keep the N9 running throughout the day as no tubes. After that buses serving any other airports open (405 possibly) and also major hospitals. Then to serve places where Christmas is not celebrated so much and the majority of shops open. Staff should be volunteer only, including control staff and engineering support. Night buses to run where nightclubs are open and there is an obvious demand. Also connecting services to hotels from Victoria Coach Station where National Express coaches will be running. Why would the 405 be running? It would be hard to justify areas where Christmas is “not celebrated much” without being too un-‘pc’
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Post by sid on Dec 11, 2018 10:04:47 GMT
I would have all routes serving Heathrow running on Christmas Day with an hourly service on most routes, and possibly keep the N9 running throughout the day as no tubes. After that buses serving any other airports open (405 possibly) and also major hospitals. Then to serve places where Christmas is not celebrated so much and the majority of shops open. Staff should be volunteer only, including control staff and engineering support. Night buses to run where nightclubs are open and there is an obvious demand. Also connecting services to hotels from Victoria Coach Station where National Express coaches will be running. Why would the 405 be running? It would be hard to justify areas where Christmas is “not celebrated much” without being too un-‘pc’ I assume the idea is to extend the 405 to Gatwick Airport although perhaps trains should be running at least between there and Victoria? I understand your 'un-pc' point and I get the impression that more and more people don't celebrate Christmas as they're sick of it all rather than for any religious reasons?
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Post by ibus246 on Dec 11, 2018 16:44:09 GMT
Why would the 405 be running? It would be hard to justify areas where Christmas is “not celebrated much” without being too un-‘pc’ I assume the idea is to extend the 405 to Gatwick Airport although perhaps trains should be running at least between there and Victoria? I understand your 'un-pc' point and I get the impression that more and more people don't celebrate Christmas as they're sick of it all rather than for any religious reasons? I think National Express run between Victoria and Gatwick on Christmas Day
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 11, 2018 18:40:04 GMT
I assume the idea is to extend the 405 to Gatwick Airport although perhaps trains should be running at least between there and Victoria? I understand your 'un-pc' point and I get the impression that more and more people don't celebrate Christmas as they're sick of it all rather than for any religious reasons? I think National Express run between Victoria and Gatwick on Christmas Day They do; they also operate Victoria - Heathrow and between the Airports. There are also Christmas Day coaches between London and Cambridge/Ipswich/Norwich which call at Stansted Airport. Green Line 757 will be operating on Christmas Day between Luton, Luton Airport and London Victoria, and RailAir between Reading and Heathrow. Metrobus route 10 (Gatwick Airport, Crawley, Broadfield & Bewbush) has a special Christmas day timetable, and First Berkshire route 7 (Heathrow Airport, Langley & Slough) will also be operating. These have been regular Christmas Day operations for some years now. This year, apart from some early morning journeys, National Express will operate a full timetable on Boxing Day.
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 11, 2018 19:01:07 GMT
13 to run on Christmas Day with Buses every Hour from 8pm to 6am 183 to run on Christmas Day with Buses every Hour from 6pm to 1am - First Bus will terminate at Harrow. 240 to run on Christmas Day with Buses every Hour from 7pm to 12am - First Bus will start from Golders Green On all Routes Bus Drivers will get a 45 Minute Break. I don't think we can convince First Bus to come back to the London scene, let alone run the 183 and 240
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Post by bottomless on Dec 21, 2018 23:28:09 GMT
405 certainly to extend to Gatwick. As for others it may not be “pc” but there would be a demand which surely Tfl has a duty to fulfil.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 22, 2018 7:39:08 GMT
405 certainly to extend to Gatwick. As for others it may not be “pc” but there would be a demand which surely Tfl has a duty to fulfil. If there was demand for such a service it should be met commercially. Metrobus are operating their route 10 on Christmas Day but they aren't even operating the 100 to Redhill. National Express coaches are operating between Gatwick Airport and London Victoria on Christmas Day, as well as between Gatwick and Heathrow Airports.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 22, 2018 11:04:14 GMT
405 certainly to extend to Gatwick. As for others it may not be “pc” but there would be a demand which surely Tfl has a duty to fulfil. TfL has no obligation to run long services to airports well outside of its operating area. It's a minor miracle that the 405 runs to Redhill rather than turning at Coulsdon and leaving the Surrey section to a commercial operator. I know this is the fantasy thread but it's long been the case that Central London to airport travel has been covered commercially by National Express or other coach operators on Xmas day.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 22, 2018 18:12:51 GMT
405 certainly to extend to Gatwick. As for others it may not be “pc” but there would be a demand which surely Tfl has a duty to fulfil. For drone spotters?
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Post by sid on Dec 25, 2018 17:41:21 GMT
I've been out and about today in SE London on family duties and I was really surprised how many people were about, obviously the unseasonably warm weather had something to do with it, but there is clearly enough demand for some level of service even if it finishes about 8/9pm.
There can't be many other capital cities with no public transport on Christmas Day apart from a few coach services and the RT service between Putney and Roehampton?
I think there is also some scope for some train services, Thameslink Bedford to Brighton for example and the closure of the rail network tomorrow is just ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 18:04:03 GMT
I've been out and about today in SE London on family duties and I was really surprised how many people were about, obviously the unseasonably warm weather had something to do with it, but there is clearly enough demand for some level of service even if it finishes about 8/9pm. There can't be many other capital cities with no public transport on Christmas Day apart from a few coach services and the RT service between Putney and Roehampton? I think there is also some scope for some train services, Thameslink Bedford to Brighton for example and the closure of the rail network tomorrow is just ridiculous. I have been to Canning Town, Poplar, and Purfleet and spotted lots of people walking clearly where they would normally be on buses for example along the A13 towards Poplar / Limehouse.
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Post by MoEnviro on Dec 25, 2018 18:12:25 GMT
There can't be many other capital cities with no public transport on Christmas Day apart from a few coach services and the RT service between Putney and Roehampton? There are many other cities around the country that run a bus service today.
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Post by sid on Dec 25, 2018 18:49:06 GMT
There can't be many other capital cities with no public transport on Christmas Day apart from a few coach services and the RT service between Putney and Roehampton? There are many other cities around the country that run a bus service today. Indeed and I wonder how much longer TfL can get away with providing nothing?
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Post by sid on Dec 25, 2018 18:51:11 GMT
I've been out and about today in SE London on family duties and I was really surprised how many people were about, obviously the unseasonably warm weather had something to do with it, but there is clearly enough demand for some level of service even if it finishes about 8/9pm. There can't be many other capital cities with no public transport on Christmas Day apart from a few coach services and the RT service between Putney and Roehampton? I think there is also some scope for some train services, Thameslink Bedford to Brighton for example and the closure of the rail network tomorrow is just ridiculous. I have been to Canning Town, Poplar, and Purfleet and spotted lots of people walking clearly where they would normally be on buses for example along the A13 towards Poplar / Limehouse. Likewise I've seen a lot of family groups walking who would surely be using buses if they were running.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 25, 2018 19:13:11 GMT
I've been out and about today in SE London on family duties and I was really surprised how many people were about, obviously the unseasonably warm weather had something to do with it, but there is clearly enough demand for some level of service even if it finishes about 8/9pm. There can't be many other capital cities with no public transport on Christmas Day apart from a few coach services and the RT service between Putney and Roehampton? I think there is also some scope for some train services, Thameslink Bedford to Brighton for example and the closure of the rail network tomorrow is just ridiculous. I have been to Canning Town, Poplar, and Purfleet and spotted lots of people walking clearly where they would normally be on buses for example along the A13 towards Poplar / Limehouse. I don't doubt that, but in the current (and near future) financial climate there's absolutely no chance without some sort of sponsorship. Perhaps the bus companies should be asked to investigate the chances of getting sponsorship for, say, six routes each of their choosing.
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