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Post by lundnah on Nov 15, 2018 15:05:09 GMT
Bus route 483 currently runs from Harrow Bus Station to Ealing Hospital serving Ealing Broadway, Hanwell, Wembley and Harrow. We are proposing to extend this route from Ealing Hospital to Windmill Lane, providing an additional three bus stops, so that our transport network is accessible to even more parts of the local area.
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Post by lonmark on Nov 15, 2018 15:10:51 GMT
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Post by COBO on Nov 15, 2018 15:28:47 GMT
I wonder what took TfL this long to make this extension. If the bridge was strong enough I would have extended the 483 to West Middlesex Hospital.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 15, 2018 16:02:00 GMT
I had to make a serious effort not to laugh out loud at the following line:
A 10 minute service currently runs from 09:00 to 18:00, and the evening service is already every 12 minutes. This would allow us to reallocate resources to other bus routes where the need is greater.
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Post by LBOTG on Nov 15, 2018 16:18:36 GMT
Very mixed feelings. Creating links to the Navigator Drive area, the Industrial Estate and to an extent Tentelow Lane is understandably a good thing, but I dislike everything else about the consultation.
Having a 12 minute frequency is entirely inappropriate - the 483 is a busy route at the end of the day and whilst the Harrow section may have been a slight disappointment regarding loadings you often see them packed in Ealing at the current frequency.
I also really don't like removing the service from the grounds. The fact it goes right inside is pretty much the only reason the 483 is actually well used through to Ealing Hospital - people do let go 207s etc for convenience and certainly on the way back to avoid crossing the busy road the 483 is popular.
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Post by busman on Nov 15, 2018 16:32:04 GMT
Having spent part of my childhood growing up in that neck of the woods, this consultation is nonsense. Windmill Park is within a short walk of the 207 and 427 via footpaths through the estate. TfL are actually taking a bus away from hospital grounds which are located up a steep hill and in use 24/7 to serve an area that will be deserted outside of business hours. This move inconveniences the least mobile passengers, it’s is an absolute joke. What a pointless diversion. I guess if Abelio end up running the 483 it will have some minor operational efficiencies. I suspect that something else is afoot. It’s almost as if making space at Ealing Hospital for another route to terminate is taking precedent over passenger convenience. Maybe the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Hospital ahead of Crossrail opening.
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Post by busman on Nov 15, 2018 16:34:29 GMT
I wonder what took TfL this long to make this extension. If the bridge was strong enough I would have extended the 483 to West Middlesex Hospital. Three Bridges is a protected monument so will not be altered and has no prospect of being strengthened due to costs I think. I agree it would be very useful to reinstate bus links through Windmill Lane and Tentelow Lane, but that’s not happening anytime soon. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 15, 2018 16:37:28 GMT
I wonder what took TfL this long to make this extension. If the bridge was strong enough I would have extended the 483 to West Middlesex Hospital. Three Bridges is a protected monument so will not be altered and has no prospect of being strengthened due to costs I think. I agree it would be very useful to reinstate bus links through Windmill Lane and Tentelow Lane, but that’s not happening anytime soon. What about if a new stronger bridge was built next to the Three bridges? |
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Post by COBO on Nov 15, 2018 16:39:54 GMT
Having spent part of my childhood growing up in that neck of the woods, this consultation is nonsense. Windmill Park is within a short walk of the 207 and 427 via footpaths through the estate. TfL are actually taking a bus away from hospital grounds which are located up a steep hill and in use 24/7 to serve an area that will be deserted outside of business hours. This move inconveniences the least mobile passengers, it’s is an absolute joke. What a pointless diversion. I guess if Abelio end up running the 483 it will have some minor operational efficiencies. I suspect that something else is afoot. It’s almost as if making space at Ealing Hospital for another route to terminate is taking precedent over passenger convenience. Maybe the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Hospital ahead of Crossrail opening. Or maybe they will withdraw the 207 between Ealing Hospital and Hayes By Pass. |
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Post by busman on Nov 15, 2018 16:49:14 GMT
Having spent part of my childhood growing up in that neck of the woods, this consultation is nonsense. Windmill Park is within a short walk of the 207 and 427 via footpaths through the estate. TfL are actually taking a bus away from hospital grounds which are located up a steep hill and in use 24/7 to serve an area that will be deserted outside of business hours. This move inconveniences the least mobile passengers, it’s is an absolute joke. What a pointless diversion. I guess if Abelio end up running the 483 it will have some minor operational efficiencies. I suspect that something else is afoot. It’s almost as if making space at Ealing Hospital for another route to terminate is taking precedent over passenger convenience. Maybe the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Hospital ahead of Crossrail opening. Or maybe they will withdraw the 207 between Ealing Hospital and Hayes By Pass. Not sure how that would flow with their longer term strategy to divert the 427 to Southall Station. The 207 would plug the 2 remaining stand spaces at Ealing Hospital. Also cutting the 207 to Ealing Hospital then diverting the 427 would leave a large hole along the Uxbridge Road corridor. Not even a TfL apprentice planner would be so daft, surely.... Unless TfL abandons its plans to divert the 427. Then chopping back the 207 to Ealing Hospital might be a crazy option for TfL to entertain. |
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Post by londonbuses2018 on Nov 15, 2018 16:53:04 GMT
Why didn’t TFL Think of this before introducing the route.
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Post by sid on Nov 15, 2018 17:04:13 GMT
Having spent part of my childhood growing up in that neck of the woods, this consultation is nonsense. Windmill Park is within a short walk of the 207 and 427 via footpaths through the estate. TfL are actually taking a bus away from hospital grounds which are located up a steep hill and in use 24/7 to serve an area that will be deserted outside of business hours. This move inconveniences the least mobile passengers, it’s is an absolute joke. What a pointless diversion. I guess if Abelio end up running the 483 it will have some minor operational efficiencies. I suspect that something else is afoot. It’s almost as if making space at Ealing Hospital for another route to terminate is taking precedent over passenger convenience. Maybe the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Hospital ahead of Crossrail opening. Wouldn't the sensible thing to do be to run it to Windmill Lane during business hours and terminate at the hospital at other times? Obviously it goes against TfL standardisation policy. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 15, 2018 17:14:28 GMT
I wonder what took TfL this long to make this extension. If the bridge was strong enough I would have extended the 483 to West Middlesex Hospital. Three Bridges is a protected monument so will not be altered and has no prospect of being strengthened due to costs I think. I agree it would be very useful to reinstate bus links through Windmill Lane and Tentelow Lane, but that’s not happening anytime soon. Maybe if the strengthening of Hammersmith Bridge goes ahead and is a successful. Maybe the strengthening of the Three Bridge should be looked into. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 15, 2018 18:04:41 GMT
Well here's a consultation that's going to fall foul of the Mayor's "serve hospitals better by public transport" edict. Also it won't happen for about 3 years because of the conditional statement regarding provision of driver toilets. People just have to object to that repeatedly and it'll never happen. If they want to serve this area surely it makes more sense to loop a passing service through the area e.g. the 195? That would give links to the south east and west and to the tube and Crossrail. If people wanted Ealing then a quick interchange would be feasible. Looping the 195 would probably cost no more than 1 bus. Curses! - the road layout doesn't allow a turn from the west into Windmill Lane.  |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 15, 2018 18:06:04 GMT
Three Bridges is a protected monument so will not be altered and has no prospect of being strengthened due to costs I think. I agree it would be very useful to reinstate bus links through Windmill Lane and Tentelow Lane, but that’s not happening anytime soon. Maybe if the strengthening of Hammersmith Bridge goes ahead and is a successful. Maybe the strengthening of the Three Bridge should be looked into. It will never be touched because of its historical importance. The greater likelihood is that traffic would be banned from using it permanently to extend its life. |
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