|
|
Post by kmkcheng on Nov 30, 2018 6:57:51 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by galwhv69 on Nov 30, 2018 7:08:48 GMT
Does this mean the Northern Line Extension has been called of?Or was there a different upgrade meaning to take place?
|
|
|
|
Post by snowman on Nov 30, 2018 7:36:36 GMT
Does this mean the Northern Line Extension has been called of?Or was there a different upgrade meaning to take place? Not referring to the Northern line extension, it refers to the extra Northern and a Jubilee Line trains that were not ordered The Met extension was the Croxley line City Hall has already had to bail out the Crossrail cost overrun, as TfL have hit its £11,300,000,000 borrowing limit so couldn’t borrow money itself (there is a complicated finance package instead via City Hall) |
|
|
|
Post by joefrombow on Nov 30, 2018 7:43:25 GMT
What does actually happen if TFL were to "run out" of money ? Will the fares freeze have to be cancelled what would actually happen ? Things aren't looking good though especially if we have a No Deal Brexit if we go by what the majority of forecasters are saying ?
|
|
|
|
Post by galwhv69 on Nov 30, 2018 7:54:18 GMT
Does this mean the Northern Line Extension has been called of?Or was there a different upgrade meaning to take place? Not referring to the Northern line extension, it refers to the extra Northern and a Jubilee Line trains that were not ordered The Met extension was the Croxley line City Hall has already had to bail out the Crossrail cost overrun, as TfL have hit its £11,300,000,000 borrowing limit so couldn’t borrow money itself (there is a complicated finance package instead via City Hall) Oh,OK Thanks  |
|
|
|
Post by MoEnviro on Nov 30, 2018 8:45:47 GMT
I assume with the expansion of the Oyster Card network being announced today, will that Increase the fares return for TfL??
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 9:52:07 GMT
A well timed article and needed, not only because I believe the author is correct, in saying Mayor Khan has a poor record overall and he avoids the blame.
If you add spiralling violence in the capital, you can see he is all mouth and no action. The northern line extension exists to serve an area of growth housing which is far too expensive for ordinary Londoners, and brings nothing strategic to pan London travel.
I am pessimistic for TfL. There is an air of apathy , services get cut across the board and we generally accept this now without a fight, because we have grown accustom to the plethora of excuses rolled out.
And if there is no money left, then as the old saying goes, it doesn’t grow on trees, in short, I expect things to get much worse,
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 10:44:21 GMT
Agreed, very good article.
Interesting point noted about the swing of BBC London too.
|
|
|
|
Post by snoggle on Nov 30, 2018 13:15:52 GMT
Agreed, very good article. Interesting point noted about the swing of BBC London too. I don't think it is particularly remarkable. It is also inaccurate in a number of respects. It reads like a lift from a press release from Assembly Member Gareth Bacon who chairs the Budget and Performance Cttee. The swipe at the BBC is a bit pathetic given that BBC London have been highlighting TfL's financial woes for at least a year if not longer. The issues around the cancellation of projects, Crossrail issues and road funding have all been broadcast / reported via the web and social media. If anyone has "just woken up" it is Sky News. |
|
|
|
Post by snoggle on Nov 30, 2018 13:24:43 GMT
I assume with the expansion of the Oyster Card network being announced today, will that Increase the fares return for TfL?? Unlikely to be honest. The expansion is on TOC services and was actually advovated many years ago when First ran the Thameslink and Great Northern franchise. The DfT blocked expansion north of the Thames and Stagecoach blocked all Oyster expansion on SWT when it ran that franchise. I am not sure what has caused the change of heart but perhaps the DfT have realised that TfL do actually possess some expertise when it comes to smart ticketing whereas the DfT abandoned its project to deliver smart ticketing in the South East having wasted £80m TfL would only gain revenue if there is an overall increase in travel from Welwyn Garden City, Hertford North and Epsom and that travel extended into the tube network by people changing trains. If the extra travel was all on TOC services then TfL would not see any extra money other than perhaps via any daily / weekly capping and the revenue apportionment process. It's all very complex behind the scenes and I understand that the TOCs have yet to agree how the new Oyster weekly capping revenue apportionment will work which is why it is not launching in January as planned. All the technology and software is in place for it to happen - bus and tram weekly capping starts on 10 December 2018 but anything involving trains is delayed to March. |
|
|
|
Post by snowman on Nov 30, 2018 13:39:44 GMT
I assume with the expansion of the Oyster Card network being announced today, will that Increase the fares return for TfL?? Unlikely to be honest. The expansion is on TOC services and was actually advovated many years ago when First ran the Thameslink and Great Northern franchise. The DfT blocked expansion north of the Thames and Stagecoach blocked all Oyster expansion on SWT when it ran that franchise. I am not sure what has caused the change of heart but perhaps the DfT have realised that TfL do actually possess some expertise when it comes to smart ticketing whereas the DfT abandoned its project to deliver smart ticketing in the South East having wasted £80m TfL would only gain revenue if there is an overall increase in travel from Welwyn Garden City, Hertford North and Epsom and that travel extended into the tube network by people changing trains. If the extra travel was all on TOC services then TfL would not see any extra money other than perhaps via any daily / weekly capping and the revenue apportionment process. It's all very complex behind the scenes and I understand that the TOCs have yet to agree how the new Oyster weekly capping revenue apportionment will work which is why it is not launching in January as planned. All the technology and software is in place for it to happen - bus and tram weekly capping starts on 10 December 2018 but anything involving trains is delayed to March. There was article 2 days ago in local newspaper in SW London on expansion of oyster to Epsom. It sounds like it is effectively just readers and oyster availability, it will be special fares outside zone 6 rules, so fares are unchanged. The date was tba (but by 31/3/19) |
|
|
|
Post by busaholic on Nov 30, 2018 21:33:18 GMT
A well timed article and needed, not only because I believe the author is correct, in saying Mayor Khan has a poor record overall and he avoids the blame. If you add spiralling violence in the capital, you can see he is all mouth and no action. The northern line extension exists to serve an area of growth housing which is far too expensive for ordinary Londoners, and brings nothing strategic to pan London travel. I am pessimistic for TfL. There is an air of apathy , services get cut across the board and we generally accept this now without a fight, because we have grown accustom to the plethora of excuses rolled out. And if there is no money left, then as the old saying goes, it doesn’t grow on trees, in short, I expect things to get much worse, I'm not seeking to defend Sadiq Khan, but would just point out that the Northern Line extension was a political act of a previous Mayor and forced through the TfL board at a time when it was hardly in TfL's Top 10 priority of Underground/Overground/ other TfL Rail schemes, doubtless sugared by largely nebulous promises of outside finance from other sources. If a certain B. Johnson is ever held to account for his various actions over the years, and I hope to live long enough to see it, this may well trump Borismasters, Garden Bridge, Emirates rustbuckets and all the others combined. |
|
|
|
Post by ServerKing on Nov 30, 2018 22:11:31 GMT
What does actually happen if TFL were to "run out" of money ? Will the fares freeze have to be cancelled what would actually happen ? Things aren't looking good though especially if we have a No Deal Brexit if we go by what the majority of forecasters are saying ? Despite being bankrupt nothing will change, just like Katie Price  I've taken less than 10 bus journeys this year, I used to enjoy them, but especially in the City there's no point as the buses are at walking pace. Rip up the cycle commuter lanes, fill in the potholes, only keep 20 zones for side streets and make the last 2 years of this Mayor a little more bearable. The moaning about what the Home Office did to police numbers or what central government did to budgets won't wash when you pay admin staff over £100k in certain roles... |
|
|
|
Post by redbus on Nov 30, 2018 23:02:13 GMT
I am pleased Sky News have published this, but it is an 'opinion' piece on their website. It need to become even more mainstream than a 'viewpoint' but real news on the TV as well as website! So a good start, but just a start. Other broadcasters such as BBC and LBC have a role to play to bring this to the forefront. A proper investigation into TfL finances, causes of lost patronage, bus cuts etc by one of the broadcasters would be a great idea (any broadcaster listening?)
I have been critical of the current Mayor, but you are also right in saying that much of damage was started and undertaken by his predecessor. More care in those policies I am sure could have prevented much of the loss of bus patronage in Central London and removed TfL's official reason for the bus cuts. He is also partly responsible for the current financial mess TfL is currently in as he agreed to the removal of the government grant. Having said that the current Mayor has taken this bad situation and managed to make it much worse, rather than make matters better.
|
|
|
|
Post by ServerKing on Dec 1, 2018 7:54:21 GMT
All politicians are useless, to be honest. They make promises that are so unrealistic they know can't be kept. Sadiq shocked all by actually keeping the fares freeze despite realising it was a road to financial ruin, and carried on spending like he still was getting a Government subsidy, despite the fact Johnson went back to Westminster and said it can be cancelled (as he started his new job as a Government MP  ) crap TfL services aside, it is mind blowing paying admin staff in the Mayors Office for Policing and Crime (MOPC) over £100k each per year (none of these guys work for the police but can somehow advise them what to do  )... bus as there's other political chaos with Theresa Maybe (another one's just resigned) and she has a 10 days left before the doctors turn the machine off, the only thing the media will pick up on is the next stabbing and how little is being done. They like the latest moves to tackle moped crime with cops ramming them with their BMWs  Little bits are trickling out such as the money lost due to the Crossrail saga, but most people don't bother with buses in other parts of the UK so it may not be as close to their heart as us. They do mention the crippling parking fines and the cynical ploy to charge diesel owners more and how bad the roads are. Once the Tory government collapses and an election / referendum / Article 50 climbdown or retraction is called, perhaps more airtime will be given to Sadiq Khan and his mates  |
|
I've taken less than 10 bus journeys this year, I used to enjoy them, but especially in the City there's no point as the buses are at walking pace. Rip up the cycle commuter lanes, fill in the potholes, only keep 20 zones for side streets and make the last 2 years of this Mayor a little more bearable. The moaning about what the Home Office did to police numbers or what central government did to budgets won't wash when you pay admin staff over £100k in certain roles...
) crap TfL services aside, it is mind blowing paying admin staff in the Mayors Office for Policing and Crime (MOPC) over £100k each per year (none of these guys work for the police but can somehow advise them what to do 
)... bus as there's other political chaos with Theresa Maybe (another one's just resigned) and she has a 10 days left before the doctors turn the machine off, the only thing the media will pick up on is the next stabbing and how little is being done. They like the latest moves to tackle moped crime with cops ramming them with their BMWs 
