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Post by arrivaarriva on Dec 7, 2018 14:08:19 GMT
224 changing driver at Asda Park Royal. Bus left unattended with passengers on board for at least 10 minutes (was waiting for another bus). Surely there is a risk of either somebody driving it away or else somebody damaging equipment on the bus. Happened around 13:35 Friday afternoon. Blinded for Wembley Stadium.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 7, 2018 14:19:52 GMT
224 changing driver at Asda Park Royal. Bus left unattended with passengers on board for at least 10 minutes (was waiting for another bus). Surely there is a risk of either somebody driving it away or else somebody damaging equipment on the bus. Happened around 13:35 Friday afternoon. Blinded for Wembley Stadium. If my experience is being replicated constantly, driver changeovers on the 224 are taking far too long - at least 15 minutes it was waiting for the next driver to turn up though our driver stayed with the bus at least
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Post by sid on Dec 7, 2018 17:27:23 GMT
224 changing driver at Asda Park Royal. Bus left unattended with passengers on board for at least 10 minutes (was waiting for another bus). Surely there is a risk of either somebody driving it away or else somebody damaging equipment on the bus. Happened around 13:35 Friday afternoon. Blinded for Wembley Stadium. Presumably the engine was turned off? Still not very good though disappearing before the relief driver has shown up.
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Post by redbus on Dec 7, 2018 20:00:13 GMT
224 changing driver at Asda Park Royal. Bus left unattended with passengers on board for at least 10 minutes (was waiting for another bus). Surely there is a risk of either somebody driving it away or else somebody damaging equipment on the bus. Happened around 13:35 Friday afternoon. Blinded for Wembley Stadium. Sure there's a risk, but it is somewhat unlikely.
Putting my passenger hat on, all I can say is that driver changeovers need to be slick. The relief driver should be waiting, so this situation does not arise. A driver changeover should be as seamless as possible to the passengers on board. They should not be kept waiting unduly, if at all.
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Post by sid on Dec 7, 2018 20:23:49 GMT
224 changing driver at Asda Park Royal. Bus left unattended with passengers on board for at least 10 minutes (was waiting for another bus). Surely there is a risk of either somebody driving it away or else somebody damaging equipment on the bus. Happened around 13:35 Friday afternoon. Blinded for Wembley Stadium. Sure there's a risk, but it is somewhat unlikely.
Putting my passenger hat on, all I can say is that driver changeovers need to be slick. The relief driver should be waiting, so this situation does not arise. A driver changeover should be as seamless as possible to the passengers on board. They should not be kept waiting unduly, if at all.
I agree and ideally I think in service driver changeovers should be reduced as far as possible, obviously they can't be eliminated completely, it's always going to cause some delay as drivers adjust the seat, steering wheel, mirrors etc. A driver change outside NX I experienced recently was laboriously slow with the drivers stopping for a natter and generally acting like they had all the time in the world.
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Post by redbus on Dec 7, 2018 22:17:00 GMT
Sure there's a risk, but it is somewhat unlikely.
Putting my passenger hat on, all I can say is that driver changeovers need to be slick. The relief driver should be waiting, so this situation does not arise. A driver changeover should be as seamless as possible to the passengers on board. They should not be kept waiting unduly, if at all.
I agree and ideally I think in service driver changeovers should be reduced as far as possible, obviously they can't be eliminated completely, it's always going to cause some delay as drivers adjust the seat, steering wheel, mirrors etc. A driver change outside NX I experienced recently was laboriously slow with the drivers stopping for a natter and generally acting like they had all the time in the world. What winds me up is waiting for a live changeover whilst another bus whizzes by!!!
In respect of mirrors, seat, wheel etc here's a potential solution. For a particular type of bus you could have electric adjustments of these items. The driver would adjust them once, get a code for that particular setup, and then whenever in the same type of bus, he could key the code and the adjustments to suit the driver would be made automatically. There's a thought for the bus manufacturers. Probably a pipe dream!
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Post by Pilot on Dec 7, 2018 22:24:00 GMT
This is old and annoying, because different kind of drivers and different types of logic lol. While potentially dangerous to leave bus unattended, you can probably steal a bus off the stand any day because a lot of drivers not following the whole protocol of isolating their bus in general...it's a big bonus if they bother shutting their cab door which sort of helps to prevent theft I suppose. But like with other tragic accidents, nothing will change until something bad happens.
I'd never leave a bus alone while passengers still on it...(quite few drivers do it on changeover if driver is MIA after waiting 5 minutes).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 19:00:51 GMT
It happended to me a couple of weeks ago on the 413. The driver pulled into the stop at Sutton Court Road and just left the bus. No message to say he was leaving, nothing. He then proceeded to have a 1chat with another driver waiting for a different RATP changeover. 15 minutes later the driver taking over the 413 I was on turned up. Live changeovers don't bother me, but when they take 15 minutes the departing driver should communicate to passengers, especially at a stop where there are no other buses to take. BTW, no he did not switch the engine off but we were idling for so long it just switched off itself.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 9, 2018 21:21:33 GMT
It happended to me a couple of weeks ago on the 413. The driver pulled into the stop at Sutton Court Road and just left the bus. No message to say he was leaving, nothing. He then proceeded to have a 1chat with another driver waiting for a different RATP changeover. 15 minutes later the driver taking over the 413 I was on turned up. Live changeovers don't bother me, but when they take 15 minutes the departing driver should communicate to passengers, especially at a stop where there are no other buses to take. BTW, no he did not switch the engine off but we were idling for so long it just switched off itself. That used to be a sackable offence, rightly in my view.
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Post by Lukeo on Dec 9, 2018 21:52:11 GMT
I remember on a 182 coming back from school once, I was the only passenger on board and the driver asked me whether I wouldn't mind if she went in to use the loo at HD! Two police officers then came by just after and wanted to board the bus, but the doors were shut so they had to wait until the driver returned. When the driver returned, the police woman pointed out that she (the driver) had left a passenger on board. Was quite funny really, I didn't mind! Back to topic though, I very often get caught with live changeovers on the 182 at HD, and it is annoying when the replacement driver isn't ready and we all have to wait. Quickest changeover I've experienced is probably about 2 mins, but the longest has literally been a painful 10 minute wait. There have also been a number of occasions where we're told to just get off the bus and board the next bus a couple of mins behind (again referring to the 182 at HD).
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Post by grubbysa on Dec 9, 2018 22:40:15 GMT
I remember on a 182 coming back from school once, I was the only passenger on board and the driver asked me whether I wouldn't mind if she went in to use the loo at HD! Two police officers then came by just after and wanted to board the bus, but the doors were shut so they had to wait until the driver returned. When the driver returned, the police woman pointed out that she (the driver) had left a passenger on board. Was quite funny really, I didn't mind! Back to topic though, I very often get caught with live changeovers on the 182 at HD, and it is annoying when the replacement driver isn't ready and we all have to wait. Quickest changeover I've experienced is probably about 2 mins, but the longest has literally been a painful 10 minute wait. There have also been a number of occasions where we're told to just get off the bus and board the next bus a couple of mins behind (again referring to the 182 at HD). Live changeovers tend to work fine on low frequency routes, but when it comes to high frequency routes its just set up to fail. The headway might be perfect whilst running ahead of your scheduled time but when you arrive at the changeover point chances are the taking over driver won't be there until the scheduled time which results in a forced regulation whilst the headway just gets bigger and bigger, noticed this happening a lot on 102 since the MDT has been changed to displaying headway on the route.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 9, 2018 23:56:21 GMT
I remember on a 182 coming back from school once, I was the only passenger on board and the driver asked me whether I wouldn't mind if she went in to use the loo at HD! Two police officers then came by just after and wanted to board the bus, but the doors were shut so they had to wait until the driver returned. When the driver returned, the police woman pointed out that she (the driver) had left a passenger on board. Was quite funny really, I didn't mind! Back to topic though, I very often get caught with live changeovers on the 182 at HD, and it is annoying when the replacement driver isn't ready and we all have to wait. Quickest changeover I've experienced is probably about 2 mins, but the longest has literally been a painful 10 minute wait. There have also been a number of occasions where we're told to just get off the bus and board the next bus a couple of mins behind (again referring to the 182 at HD). Live changeovers tend to work fine on low frequency routes, but when it comes to high frequency routes its just set up to fail. The headway might be perfect whilst running ahead of your scheduled time but when you arrive at the changeover point chances are the taking over driver won't be there until the scheduled time which results in a forced regulation whilst the headway just gets bigger and bigger, noticed this happening a lot on 102 since the MDT has been changed to displaying headway on the route. Depends really - BN's changeovers back in the day were very good on the 109, 118, 159 and the short lived allocation on the 250 in 2001 and aren't too bad nowadays mostly.
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Post by redexpress on Dec 10, 2018 8:12:15 GMT
The worst live changeover I've had was at Garston on a 321. As it's right outside the garage I guess the outgoing driver thought she didn't have to wait for the new driver, so she closed the bus doors behind her (it was a cold day) and toddled off to the garage. We waited and waited, until I got fed up and went to the garage to investigate. The other passengers were mostly little old ladies who didn't have a clue how to open the doors, so no idea what they'd have done if they were on their own. The garage staff had no idea that they had a bus full of passengers sitting outside. Eventually some management type came over and explained that the new driver had had an accident on his way to work - which may well be a valid explanation for not having a driver ready, but doesn't explain why no-one thought to do anything about it! By this time the next 321 had caught up - on a 30-minute frequency - so we were transferred over.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 10, 2018 10:45:34 GMT
Longest one I ever had was on a 2 when I was young so back when it was L operated - we took it from Crystal Palace back to Brixton after visiting the funfair and when we got to N, we had a driver changeover that lasted a good 20 minutes or more to the point we gave up and boarded another 2 instead.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 10, 2018 11:04:36 GMT
The worst live changeover I've had was at Garston on a 321. As it's right outside the garage I guess the outgoing driver thought she didn't have to wait for the new driver, so she closed the bus doors behind her (it was a cold day) and toddled off to the garage. We waited and waited, until I got fed up and went to the garage to investigate. The other passengers were mostly little old ladies who didn't have a clue how to open the doors, so no idea what they'd have done if they were on their own. The garage staff had no idea that they had a bus full of passengers sitting outside. Eventually some management type came over and explained that the new driver had had an accident on his way to work - which may well be a valid explanation for not having a driver ready, but doesn't explain why no-one thought to do anything about it! By this time the next 321 had caught up - on a 30-minute frequency - so we were transferred over. lol, that is a serious disciplinary offence. In the worst case scenario, someone could have jumped into the drivers cab and caused mayhem. Driver should have waited and called to find out where her relief driver was.
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